Off topic: Ideal size of a new NDSU football stadium?

[HerdBot]

My math. Land is a rounding error in this project. 10 acre site (target field is a smaller footprint), 442,800 square feet. Land at 10/foot is $4.5 million. If land is 15/square which is expensive by Fargo standards that is only $6 million on a $300 million build.

For Fargo yes but it depends if it's greenfield or brownfield.
Also depends on roads and existing infrastructure

But Minneapolis is obviously way way more expensive. The Gophers stadium was 50 million in land acquisition and development costs. They had to do new roads all around the place

The Fargodome land was a donation

[HerdBot]

Which tax??? I believe there are 3 sales taxes for flood protection right now. And they did slam them through. Everytime there was a spring event, they put them up to vote because people were scared and tired. Denny admitted they did it that way intentionally. So that left little to no time for actual analysis if you don't consider "we need every dollar we can get" to be analysis. Then on top of that, they did the special assessment.....

We have 3 sales taxes. The 1% infrastructure one expires in 2028. Most of the city flood projects have been completed but curious if they will let that 1% slide. Wonder how much of the infrastructure is flood related? The other 1/2 percent ones expire anywhere form 2029 to a disaster scenario of 2085

Infrastructure Sales Tax
On June 13, 2006, citizens of Fargo voted to amend Article 3 of the Home Rule Charter to authorize collection of a one percent municipal sales, gross receipt and use tax. This commenced January 1, 2009 and will expire on December 31, 2028.

The City of Fargo will use this sales tax for infrastructure capital improvements which may include the following: streets and traffic management; water supply and treatment needs, including construction or expansion of water treatment facilities; water distribution system needs; sewage treatment and collection system needs, including construction or expansion of sewage treatment facilities and flood protection projects.

Flood Control Sales Tax
On June 30, 2009, citizens of Fargo voted to amend Article 3 of the Home Rule Charter to authorize collection of a one-half percent municipal sales, gross receipt and use tax. This commenced January 1, 2010 and was to expire on December 31, 2029. This sales tax is utilized by the City of Fargo for flood risk protection, mitigation and reduction.

In November 2016 the citizens of Fargo voted to extend the sales tax to expire in 12/31/84 or earlier if all debt and obligations related to the flood control projects have been retired.

FLOOD SALES TAX 2
On June 12, 2012 citizens of Fargo authorized the collection of a one-half percent municipal sales, gross receipt and use tax. This tax commenced January 1, 2013 and was to expire on December 31, 2032. The City uses this tax for infrastructure improvements including flood protection, after January 1, 2017 all proceeds are redirected to flood protection, mitigation and reduction.

In November 2016 the citizens of Fargo voted to extend the sales tax to expire in 12/31/84 or earlier if all debt and obligations related to the flood control projects have been retired.

[OrygunBison]

For Fargo yes but it depends if it's greenfield or brownfield.
Also depends on roads and existing infrastructure

But Minneapolis is obviously way way more expensive. The Gophers stadium was 50 million in land acquisition and development costs. They had to do new roads all around the place

The Fargodome land was a donation

You are so incredibly far outside of your lane but are completely oblivious to it.

[HerdBot]

You are so incredibly far outside of your lane but are completely oblivious to it.

Am I?
EDIT I posted the Twins stuff instead and I updated it. It was 46 million instead of 50 million.

The Gopher Stadium Act
Authorization
Laws of Minnesota, Chapter 247 authorizes the construction of a 50,000 seat, outdoor football
stadium, to be located in the vicinity of University Avenue and Huron Boulevard on the campus of
the University of Minnesota. Project costs total $248 million with $202 million for stadium
construction, $28.1 million for district development including road realignment and $17.9 million
for site costs including land acquisition and environmental mitigation.
Fiscal Scope & Structure
Project funding will be shared by the state (55%) and by the University of Minnesota (45%). The
state share of $137.3 million will be done through an annual appropriation of $10.25 million from
the state’s general fund to the Board of Regents, beginning in FY 2008 and continuing for a
maximum term of 25 years. The appropriation also supports a land transfer from the University of
Minnesota where the University will give the state with 2,840 acres of undeveloped land in Dakota
County for future use as a metropolitan area nature preserve. The University’s share of the stadium
project funding, $110.7 million, will be generated by four sources:
a. $64.2 million from fundraising;
b. $20.5 million from the present value of naming rights4
,
c. $13.5 million from a new student fee. The University plans to implement a new student fee,
up to a maximum of $25 per year, to pay for stadium costs. The law requires that the per
semester student fee will be at a fixed level coterminous with bonds to meet the student share
of the stadium’s design and construction, and that the student fee will not be increased to pay
for construction cost overruns. In addition, before the state makes its first payment to the
Board of Regents, a provision for affordable access for university students to university
sporting events held at the football stadium must be certified;
d. $13 million from game day parking revenue.
Exemption
Chapter 247 contains a sales and use tax exemption for stadium construction materials,

The Twins Ballpark Act
Authorization
Laws of Minnesota 2006, Chapter 257 authorizes the construction of a 42,000 seat out-door ballpark
in the Warehouse District of Minneapolis for the Minnesota Twins. Project costs total $522 million
with $390 million for ballpark construction, $90 million for onsite infrastructure costs (including
land acquisition, site preparation, street improvements, air rights, parking, pollution cleanup, etc.),
and $42 million for county debt issuance costs.

https://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/fi.../06stadium.pdf

[56BISON73]

Doesnt NDSU have land north of the dome along the interstate?

[Gully]

Been saying for years- State of Minnesota can’t NOT pay for stadiums/domes!! Get a contingency of bison 1 issue voters in Minnetota!!! Build it in Moorhead if need be. Still be a steller coup, and possibly engage the ND legislation/city of Fargo in a real way.

Don’t think stadium is the key to conference/fbs invites as it once was. Culture has changed. Viewing on TV has so few barriers plus covid etc. confident the size of the dome will continue to meet the demands of attendance for years, and the building is unique.

Planning 10 years out, sure. But to accommodate fans 10 years in the future the experience will need to be good enough for people to invest the time/money/effort to go to the game vs. simply watching on whatever technology is available at that point. Fan numbers may increase some, but the Cameron Indoor has been discussed in comparison at length. Rather turn a 10% away during good years versus run 10% empty ever. TV is the medium that matters. Make the new dome with heavy consideration of making TV production look great. Get fans (sponsors) on TV- in a natural way. Shots of the heavy hitter donors. Show them OFF. Get them business and appreciate them for donating.

-needs to be Indoor with PLENTY of wifi/cell service available. 50 degrees isn’t BAD for a football game, but when hauling the kids/wife etc. let it be COMFORTABLE. No worries of rain/wind. Also removes variables for the team in half their games plus. Practice outside, be prepared to navigate the variables while away- but limit them for home games/extended future FBS playoff games which NDSU would ultimately be betting on anyway.

-making TAILGATING as easy, available, and comfortable as possible is probably the number one opportunity to compete with the bars/home parties as a premier experience/networking. Plenty of cell/wifi available here as well.

-soft gambling?? fantasy football for FCS? Get more fans engaged with what rest of league is doing. Forum providing/creating some “hypothetical” gaming options for FCS gameday across the league. Make it easy for everyday fans to place some bets on wearing other teams jersey…. [emoji6]. Hasn’t hurt the NFL. Something to drive engagement while we sit on pins and needles for the elusive invite.

-FCS gambling options at casinos and create some agreements for Bussing to and from mahnomen, spirit lake, Dakota magic.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...tribe-77270555

My comment wasn't about the stadium. I was saying they could further develop and grow the metro area by moving West....away from the river and continuing to buyout and buildup the flood infrastructure near the river and avoid the diversion. In other words, don't try to move the river, build away from the river. My understanding is the "Fargo" leaders want the growth to be in "Fargo" and not West Fargo or somewhere else.

[Rock]

My comment wasn't about the stadium. I was saying they could further develop and grow the metro area by moving West....away from the river and continuing to buyout and buildup the flood infrastructure near the river and avoid the diversion. In other words, don't try to move the river, build away from the river. My understanding is the "Fargo" leaders want the growth to be in "Fargo" and not West Fargo or somewhere else.

I agree. Sometimes curious how good the “Fargo Leaders Leadership” is for NDSU Football. It’s a regional university. If Minnesota had ANY interest to buy a stadium and satisfy a contingent of voters/steal all of the lucrative gameday revenue could offer some land/money in Moorhead…. it wouldn’t be the worst thing for the Fargo leaders, or state congress to hear about IMO.

NDSU can play a bit like NFL teams do, just based on geography.

[roadwarrior]

Doesnt NDSU have land north of the dome along the interstate?

NDSU has land west of I-29 and north of 19th Ave.

[HerdBot]

My comment wasn't about the stadium. I was saying they could further develop and grow the metro area by moving West....away from the river and continuing to buyout and buildup the flood infrastructure near the river and avoid the diversion. In other words, don't try to move the river, build away from the river. My understanding is the "Fargo" leaders want the growth to be in "Fargo" and not West Fargo or somewhere else.

I think we need to get more compact and built up instead of sprawling out. I absolutely hate sprawl and we're eventually going to run short on land land. (If you look at the big picture over 30 years) We're right up against West Fargo on Veterans all the way to 52nd Ave. All the growth is happening south of 52nd right now so they are already doing that We've been doing sprawl for so long, eventually we're going to get fucked when growth slows and we have to maintain all this stuff. We're addicted to the federal and state money to build roads.

Doing flood protection to the same level of a diversion would require an insane amount of buyouts we could never afford and none of that property would generate taxes. Trying to picture in my head what that would entail but we're talking the VA Hospital, City Hall, Prairie St Johns, Fargo City Water Treatment Plant, Lindewood Park, Oak Grove School, El Zagel Golf Course, Edgewood Golf Course, etc. If I remember correctly, didn't they have to evacuate the downtown Sanford hospital in 97? (St Lukes, whatever it was called back then) So if that's the case, woudn't they have to buy out big sections of downtown?

[EC8CH]

NDSU has land west of I-29 and north of 19th Ave.

Was in the news a couple years ago when everyone's favorite former Fargo politician tried to strong arm NDSU into selling the land for cheap to his associate.