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    Quote Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan View Post
    FCS top 25 per Sagarin. Lowest I think I've ever seen NDSU relative to other FCS since I started following closely years ago:

    45 South Dakota State AA = 75.39 3 0 60.71( 115) 0 0 | 0 0 | 74.51 53 | 75.18 50 | 77.58 38 MISSOURI VALLEY
    71 James Madison AA = 70.93 3 0 41.43( 234) 0 0 | 0 0 | 71.75 68 | 69.09 79 | 73.15 61 COLONIAL
    77 Montana AA = 69.75 3 0 49.48( 193) 0 0 | 1 0 | 68.22 88 | 69.72 76 | 73.16 60 BIG SKY
    80 North Dakota State AA = 69.38 3 0 38.19( 249) 0 0 | 0 0 | 69.61 76 | 68.76 80 | 69.83 71 MISSOURI VALLEY
    96 Sam Houston State AA = 65.46 3 0 47.87( 206) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.02 100 | 64.99 97 | 67.13 83 AQ7
    97 Northern Iowa AA = 65.16 2 1 55.05( 154) 0 0 | 0 1 | 65.97 94 | 63.36 103 | 67.10 84 MISSOURI VALLEY
    100 Southern Illinois AA = 64.78 3 1 49.82( 187) 0 0 | 0 1 | 65.40 97 | 63.29 105 | 66.41 88 MISSOURI VALLEY

    106 UC Davis AA = 62.42 4 0 48.79( 197) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.36 112 | 61.78 109 | 65.95 91 BIG SKY
    114 Eastern Washington AA = 60.30 4 0 50.53( 179) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.37 121 | 61.22 112 | 62.15 104 BIG SKY
    116 Missouri State AA = 60.01 2 1 59.78( 120) 0 0 | 0 1 | 59.55 116 | 59.20 116 | 62.50 103 MISSOURI VALLEY
    117 Weber State AA = 59.30 1 3 62.22( 100) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.73 110 | 57.41 126 | 57.71 126 BIG SKY
    119 SE Louisiana AA = 58.83 2 1 48.52( 198) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.82 115 | 56.88 130 | 60.60 111 SOUTHLAND
    121 Montana State AA = 58.59 3 1 40.11( 242) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.54 120 | 58.00 123 | 59.60 115 BIG SKY
    122 North Dakota AA = 57.59 2 1 45.53( 218) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.11 124 | 58.00 122 | 57.26 128 MISSOURI VALLEY
    124 Princeton AA = 56.93 2 0 21.96( 258) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.07 128 | 57.70 124 | 56.65 133 IVY LEAGUE
    126 East Tennessee State AA = 56.82 4 0 47.22( 210) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.98 142 | 57.51 125 | 61.28 107 SOUTHERN
    127 South Dakota AA = 56.39 2 2 51.05( 175) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.91 122 | 54.54 139 | 56.66 132 MISSOURI VALLEY
    131 Villanova AA = 56.09 3 1 40.50( 240) 0 0 | 0 1 | 55.83 130 | 55.43 134 | 57.71 125 COLONIAL
    132 Kennesaw State AA = 55.50 2 1 61.55( 109) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.89 133 | 55.30 135 | 56.89 130 BIG SOUTH
    135 Harvard AA = 55.27 2 0 35.49( 251) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.97 132 | 54.69 138 | 56.77 131 IVY LEAGUE
    136 Incarnate Word AA = 55.06 3 1 46.42( 216) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.70 134 | 53.52 142 | 58.85 117 SOUTHLAND
    137 Mercer AA = 54.99 2 1 74.90( 7) 0 1 | 0 1 | 54.09 139 | 53.94 141 | 58.92 116 SOUTHERN
    139 Delaware AA = 54.80 2 1 49.74( 188) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.53 145 | 55.51 133 | 55.59 134 COLONIAL
    141 Chattanooga AA = 54.48 1 2 54.75( 156) 0 0 | 0 1 | 56.96 125 | 51.77 152 | 54.39 140 SOUTHERN
    145 Nicholls State AA = 53.40 1 2 65.50( 77) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.01 140 | 52.24 150 | 54.11 143 SOUTHLAND
    Maybe would have to go all the way back to early 2011 to see NDSU outside the top 3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bisonaudit View Post
    Maybe would have to go all the way back to early 2011 to see NDSU outside the top 3?
    That has to be about right; I don't think we even fell that hard in 2015 with the two losses. I starting following close due to you, BTW.......

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    Big jump this week, Sagarin has NDSU at 73, second in FCS behind SDSU at 49, ahead of JMU at 75.
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    Sagarin suggests a line between 4 and 7.5 depending on your preferred metric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bisonaudit View Post
    Sagarin suggests a line between 4 and 7.5 depending on your preferred metric.
    Think we are at the point they dumped the old data?

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    Updated top 25 per Sagarin; looky, looky who is up to #2:

    49 South Dakota State AA = 75.42 4 0 49.35( 181) 0 0 | 0 0 | 74.89 51 | 74.88 51 | 77.34 35 MISSOURI VALLEY
    73 North Dakota State AA = 69.14 4 0 42.97( 222) 0 0 | 0 0 | 68.45 79 | 69.24 73 | 69.88 72 MISSOURI VALLEY

    75 James Madison AA = 68.41 4 0 44.48( 211) 0 0 | 0 0 | 67.90 85 | 67.92 79 | 70.12 71 COLONIAL
    87 Montana AA = 67.28 3 1 57.34( 139) 0 0 | 0 0 | 67.20 89 | 66.39 86 | 68.94 75 BIG SKY
    89 Northern Iowa AA = 66.52 3 1 51.87( 165) 0 0 | 0 1 | 67.24 88 | 64.72 98 | 68.53 77 MISSOURI VALLEY
    94 Sam Houston State AA = 65.93 4 0 50.22( 174) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.04 98 | 65.80 91 | 67.68 82 AQ7
    99 Eastern Washington AA = 65.00 5 0 55.84( 144) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.88 106 | 65.41 95 | 68.56 76 BIG SKY
    105 Southern Illinois AA = 63.11 4 1 48.77( 186) 0 0 | 0 1 | 63.01 105 | 62.22 107 | 64.77 95 MISSOURI VALLEY
    108 Missouri State AA = 62.47 3 1 58.83( 129) 0 0 | 0 1 | 61.85 110 | 61.55 108 | 65.45 92 MISSOURI VALLEY

    113 UC Davis AA = 60.62 5 0 45.67( 205) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.19 122 | 60.47 114 | 63.67 101 BIG SKY
    114 Montana State AA = 60.56 4 1 40.19( 236) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.48 114 | 59.83 117 | 61.83 110 BIG SKY
    121 South Dakota AA = 58.41 3 2 49.14( 183) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.95 116 | 56.20 135 | 59.34 115 MISSOURI VALLEY
    122 Harvard AA = 58.36 3 0 38.35( 244) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.13 126 | 57.70 125 | 62.10 107 IVY LEAGUE
    124 Weber State AA = 58.22 2 3 55.59( 146) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.70 117 | 57.00 126 | 57.04 132 BIG SKY
    125 Princeton AA = 58.11 3 0 28.05( 258) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.05 128 | 58.86 121 | 58.21 126 IVY LEAGUE
    128 SE Louisiana AA = 57.28 3 1 47.09( 198) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.12 127 | 56.42 133 | 58.98 117 SOUTHLAND
    130 North Dakota AA = 56.91 2 2 51.66( 166) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.27 125 | 56.55 128 | 56.28 135 MISSOURI VALLEY
    131 Kennesaw State AA = 56.66 3 1 52.77( 162) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.69 135 | 56.45 131 | 58.72 119 BIG SOUTH
    133 Villanova AA = 56.35 3 1 38.79( 242) 0 1 | 0 1 | 56.64 129 | 55.08 139 | 57.95 129 COLONIAL
    135 Incarnate Word AA = 55.43 4 1 45.32( 208) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.87 139 | 54.05 141 | 59.21 116 SOUTHLAND
    136 Dartmouth AA = 54.97 3 0 34.22( 252) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.24 144 | 56.05 136 | 55.78 139 IVY LEAGUE
    138 Central Arkansas AA = 54.78 2 3 54.73( 153) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.69 136 | 53.03 144 | 56.05 137 AQ7
    139 East Tennessee State AA = 54.69 5 0 43.77( 214) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.13 150 | 56.27 134 | 58.40 122 SOUTHERN
    140 Mercer AA = 54.60 3 1 57.96( 134) 0 1 | 0 1 | 53.38 142 | 53.99 142 | 58.10 128 SOUTHERN
    142 Stephen F. Austin AA = 54.30 3 2 50.48( 172) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.88 133 | 51.65 151 | 56.03 138 AQ7

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    What is even more interesting is 4 of our next 7 games are against teams that are in the FCS top 12 of Sagarin. The MVFC is by far the strongest FCS conference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDbison View Post
    What is even more interesting is 4 of our next 7 games are against teams that are in the FCS top 12 of Sagarin. The MVFC is by far the strongest FCS conference!
    Sagarin has the MVFC rated 8 points higher than the Big Sky and even ahead of the CUSA-W and Sun Belt-W.
    https://sagarin.usatoday.com/2021-2/...tings-2021-22/
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    Top 25 FCS per Sagarin; bunnies fall, NDSU nipping on their heals at this point:

    54 South Dakota State AA = 73.43 4 1 54.53( 145) 0 0 | 0 0 | 74.18 51 | 72.12 60 | 74.34 51 MISSOURI VALLEY
    64 North Dakota State AA = 71.48 5 0 47.73( 186) 0 0 | 0 0 | 70.43 69 | 71.52 68 | 73.44 53 MISSOURI VALLEY

    92 James Madison AA = 65.45 4 1 47.42( 189) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.65 96 | 64.72 94 | 66.20 89 COLONIAL
    94 Northern Iowa AA = 65.23 3 2 59.02( 124) 0 0 | 0 1 | 66.38 93 | 63.53 102 | 66.11 90 MISSOURI VALLEY
    95 Southern Illinois AA = 65.00 5 1 52.67( 152) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.27 99 | 64.32 98 | 67.83 82 MISSOURI VALLEY

    98 Eastern Washington AA = 64.65 6 0 50.94( 165) 0 0 | 0 0 | 63.16 104 | 64.41 96 | 68.29 80 BIG SKY
    99 Montana AA = 64.65 4 1 48.89( 177) 0 0 | 0 0 | 63.66 101 | 64.65 95 | 66.46 87 BIG SKY
    102 Sam Houston State AA = 63.73 5 0 45.56( 200) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.46 107 | 64.05 99 | 65.46 93 AQ7
    114 Montana State AA = 60.09 5 1 36.61( 241) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.12 116 | 59.22 115 | 61.52 109 BIG SKY
    115 Villanova AA = 59.70 4 1 46.92( 194) 0 1 | 0 1 | 59.52 117 | 58.43 120 | 62.59 100 COLONIAL
    117 SE Louisiana AA = 59.13 4 1 48.17( 182) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.78 121 | 58.10 122 | 61.86 105 SOUTHLAND
    119 Missouri State AA = 58.40 3 2 57.14( 133) 0 0 | 0 1 | 59.02 118 | 57.32 124 | 58.95 121 MISSOURI VALLEY
    121 South Dakota AA = 58.20 4 2 49.70( 171) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.78 120 | 56.61 129 | 60.05 113 MISSOURI VALLEY

    123 Princeton AA = 57.84 4 0 33.18( 251) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.23 130 | 58.99 116 | 58.44 125 IVY LEAGUE
    124 Harvard AA = 57.54 4 0 36.59( 242) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.30 129 | 56.88 127 | 61.42 110 IVY LEAGUE
    125 Kennesaw State AA = 57.50 4 1 49.07( 176) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.42 128 | 57.26 125 | 60.05 114 BIG SOUTH
    128 Weber State AA = 56.98 2 3 53.20( 148) 0 0 | 0 1 | 58.45 123 | 55.75 135 | 55.93 135 BIG SKY
    130 North Dakota AA = 56.53 2 3 56.31( 139) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.44 124 | 56.02 133 | 55.09 138 MISSOURI VALLEY
    132 UC Davis AA = 56.01 5 1 45.98( 197) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.94 127 | 55.14 138 | 55.41 137 BIG SKY
    133 East Tennessee State AA = 55.95 6 0 41.88( 218) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.37 142 | 56.38 131 | 60.33 112 SOUTHERN
    136 Dartmouth AA = 55.40 4 0 37.48( 239) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.48 141 | 56.47 130 | 56.80 131 IVY LEAGUE
    137 Incarnate Word AA = 55.36 4 1 45.46( 202) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.87 134 | 54.01 139 | 59.05 120 SOUTHLAND
    140 Youngstown State AA = 54.00 2 3 59.71( 120) 0 0 | 0 1 | 53.54 140 | 53.44 141 | 55.81 136 MISSOURI VALLEY
    141 Mercer AA = 53.91 4 1 52.43( 154) 0 1 | 0 1 | 51.83 148 | 53.97 140 | 57.95 127 SOUTHERN
    145 Sacramento State AA = 52.57 3 2 49.47( 172) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.26 146 | 52.39 145 | 53.17 142 BIG SKY

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    No doubt, JMU would compete in MVFC Villanova would own BB. But, this is football. Either team right now is a middle of the road in MVFC. football.

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