Tyler Roehl's over

[56BISON73]

1st half sdsu was him at his best. 2nd half sdsu was him at his worst. Basically lets run the clock out starting with the 1st drive of the 2nd half. The worst execution would be the 1st quarter of uiw. The players looked confused on several basic plays

Execution!!!!!!!!!

[Gully]

I haven't gone back and watched the 2nd half of the SDSU game, but it seems like I recall trying to return kicks and getting pinned deep and maybe that lead to conservative play calling?

I could be remembering it wrong or have the wrong game even. But just take the darn ball at the 25 and have some breathing room. Often we don't get any further and there is a good chance of a penalty putting you in a bad spot.

[mtoutfitter]

The Roehl critics need to go on the Benchwarmers and 'splain themselves because that could be hilarious.

Of course, every OC at NDSU since 1980 gets criticized except (*checks notes*) Courtney Messingham who had Brooks, Dunn, Seth Wilson, Bruce Anderson, and Cofield in the backfield and still ran Stick almost 8 times per game when Stick was a senior?

Not exactly true Tony. Don't you remember the "Messingham orders vanilla at Coldstone" started by you know who. But if I remember correctly he was about the only one bitching in the thread, could ber wrong on that.

[NDSU92]

Not exactly true Tony. Don't you remember the "Messingham orders vanilla at Coldstone" started by you know who. But if I remember correctly he was about the only one bitching in the thread, could ber wrong on that.

Yeah, every thread that guy makes may as well be titled "Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!"

[BigLakeBison]

But you ARE criticizing the coaches. You are. It's why we're having this conversation. I didn't say it was a marvel of offensive strategy. I said I was happy with how the game was called and y'all took exception. I didn't say Roehl was an offensive genius. You're arguing against points I haven't made.

People want all this creativity but do we have the personnel for it? Especially this year? We have 0 unproven WRs. 0 proven healthy TEs. Our strength is our Oline (one that is arguably the best in FCS history, at least before we lost two to season ending injuries). What happens if we put all this "creative" stuff on the passing game's shoulders when running the ball has worked wonderfully for us this year? What happens when "creative" ourselves into a multiple turnover game? Then we're all here saying Roehl shouldn't have gotten cute. Was Roehl responsible for all the missed passes to wide open players in the semi-final game? We had TEs open 15 yards downfield getting missed for a first down on 3rd and long. Good play design, poor execution. Is that the fault of Roehl's play calling?

Post game press conference in '19 championship game: Cignetti says we weren't expecting them to run the QB 30 times? That's creative. How we've used Luepke in the passing game the past two years? That's creative. They way we used Quincy at the end of the year last year? That's creative. Lining up in 5 wide and sending all 5 skills in presnap motion to confuse defensive gap assignments? That's creative. That's what creativity looks like in an NDSU west coast offense.

Messingham was Mozart. Every other OC we've had in the past 20 years is Roehl's level or worse. Just my opinion. All I'm saying is the championship game hasn't been played yet, let's see what we dial up when it counts.

Cheers bud

I didn't say shit until you referred to the 2019 Championship game plan. If you can find another post of mine prior to that where I commented on TR or the coaches, I'll eat my words. My football knowledge is much less than any of the coaches, past or present and likely future. So I typically don't comment. That being said, criticism isn't necessarily bad. It's often what spurs improvement. It's difficult to argue with the results of this program. That being said, there are some times under Roehl where our offensive results get stagnant at times for stretches. It seems to me that we rely too much on the big play to score points versus long sustained drives. Our style of football works best with long sustained drives that keep our defense off the field and fresh. It's, in my opinion, why we have typically dominated the fourth quarter over this run. Our offense has worn out their defense and our defense is fresh and clamps them down. In 80% of our games our talent can overcome this. In Sunday's game that won't work and we also don't have Trey Lance at QB to lean on. The talent matchup is in SDSU's favor for the most part. Big plays are going to be very difficult to come by. Coaching is going to need to help our players overcome that on Sunday. I truly believe they are capable because for some stretches they have shown that they are. It just hasn't been as consistent, in my eyes.

[El_Chapo]

Yeah, every thread that guy makes may as well be titled "Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!"

Messingham was as boring as vanilla much like roehl

[17>1]

But you ARE criticizing the coaches. You are. It's why we're having this conversation. I didn't say it was a marvel of offensive strategy. I said I was happy with how the game was called and y'all took exception. I didn't say Roehl was an offensive genius. You're arguing against points I haven't made.

People want all this creativity but do we have the personnel for it? Especially this year? We have 0 unproven WRs. 0 proven healthy TEs. Our strength is our Oline (one that is arguably the best in FCS history, at least before we lost two to season ending injuries). What happens if we put all this "creative" stuff on the passing game's shoulders when running the ball has worked wonderfully for us this year? What happens when "creative" ourselves into a multiple turnover game? Then we're all here saying Roehl shouldn't have gotten cute. Was Roehl responsible for all the missed passes to wide open players in the semi-final game? We had TEs open 15 yards downfield getting missed for a first down on 3rd and long. Good play design, poor execution. Is that the fault of Roehl's play calling?

Post game press conference in '19 championship game: Cignetti says we weren't expecting them to run the QB 30 times? That's creative. How we've used Luepke in the passing game the past two years? That's creative. They way we used Quincy at the end of the year last year? That's creative. Lining up in 5 wide and sending all 5 skills in presnap motion to confuse defensive gap assignments? That's creative. That's what creativity looks like in an NDSU west coast offense.

Messingham was Mozart. Every other OC we've had in the past 20 years is Roehl's level or worse. Just my opinion. All I'm saying is the championship game hasn't been played yet, let's see what we dial up when it counts.

Cheers bud

Great post!

[El_Chapo]

Stay on Frisco... Frisco HS needs an OC

QB draw then swing pass for 3 when we need 8

what a joke

[Jay]

The bigger issue is our defense. You’re such a dumb fuck Lakes.

[El_Chapo]

Do you know you are down 24??

2 striaght runs