NDSU to the FBS

[NovaBison]

Yeah, people need to stop it with the new stadium BS. You’re sending out a false narrative, which could actually make it harder to get an invite. Plus it isn’t even true. The dome would be fine.

Beyond the proverbial - and currently MIA - invite, the big $$ hurdles are scholarships and travel (assuming the IPF is done). Beyond that, it’s salaries. You’re not going to get that $$ from tuition, and you’re not going to get it through tickets, so you’re looking at the state, donors, and whatever extra you end up with by being FBS. The first one has obvious implications, but ultimately the state of ND has to decide if it wants FBS, and then maybe it can hope. Obviously it would be the Bison, since there is no rational argument otherwise. But there would be hard implications that some people would have difficulty accepting. There are very serious structural issues in ND Higher Ed that will loom large in the near future, and this is mixed in with all of that, unfortunately.

The big issue is the invite. All signs point to FBS breaking away, which would make it infinitely harder to move up, IMO. But the P5 appears to not like this idea, so maybe in the end they’ll agree to not be so obnoxious and spoiled, but who really knows … All NDSU can do is stay on track and create an environment that is attractive to 'bigger time' College Football. I am confident that this is what they are doing, and as fans we can help them out by not being fatigued ...

I am also in the "Don't need a new dome to move-up now" Camp... Assuming you meet or exceed the average attendance requirement for FBS membership, what function does a football venue provide? Ticket revenue to fund the athletics program... using the USA Today database, here is how NDSU compares to the G5 and FCS Power 3 (MVFC, Big Sky, and CAA) for Ticket Revenue (for all sports, hence UNDs numbers for hockey):

1 Memphis $10,755,833.00
2 Nevada $9,683,290.00
3 Cincinnati $7,736,020.00
4 Boise State $7,016,928.00
5 San Diego State $6,596,027.00
6 Fresno $6,429,309.00
7 NDSU $6,379,573.00
8 ECU $6,190,857.00
9 UCF $5,984,236.00
10 Colorado State $5,784,735.00
11 Hawaii $5,602,360.00
12 Montana $5,588,367.00
13 New Mexico $5,042,302.00
14 UND $4,994,577.00
15 Houston $4,882,307.00
16 UNLV $4,726,304.00
17 USF $4,600,251.00
18 SDSU $4,131,288.00
19 Wyoming $3,971,848.00
20 ODU $3,789,906.00

If NDSU is already a solid Top 10 "non P5" program for Ticket Revenue, what does a huge capital investment provide, besides an insurmountable fundraising project, or unnecessary debt (assuming you could get a bond)? Recruits already say NDSU's crowd and their energy are a reason for their interest in the program -- most of those G5 programs cannot match the filled stadium NDSU has. The only other reason for a huge stadium is for perceived "status" of a bigger stadium (aka "dick measuring").

Could NDSU use additional seating, and some premium seating? Yes... but not at the expense of drowning in debt, or providing less funding to other athletic teams.

[mtoutfitter]

You know you have nothing important or relevant to say when you resort to bullshit meaningless posts like this. Go start an “Official Shit on Lakes No Matter What He Does” Thread and post exclusively in there.

I have a question. Why is Ok for Lakes to constantly take shots at Bison coaches, Admin and even recruiting, but it's not Ok for people to take a shot at him?

[heffray]

I have a question. Why is Ok for Lakes to constantly take shots at Bison coaches, Admin and even recruiting, but it's not Ok for people to take a shot at him?

I have no problem with people taking shots at content that anyone posts on here, but there is a big difference between Lakes saying we should go FBS, we should fire our coaches or admins (he’s FAR from the only one doing this), or we should recruit better players... and someone calling him a felon.

Take shots at what he says on here, fine... bringing someone’s irrelevant criminal record into it is too far, IMO, and honestly a little creepy... and this has nothing to do with it being Lakes.

[mtoutfitter]

I have no problem with people taking shots at content that anyone posts on here, but there is a big difference between Lakes saying we should go FBS, we should fire our coaches or admins (he’s FAR from the only one doing this), or we should recruit better players... and someone calling him a felon.

Take shots at what he says on here, fine... bringing someone’s irrelevant criminal record into it is too far, IMO, and honestly a little creepy... and this has nothing to do with it being Lakes.

I see your point. Guess my opinion of him is infected by his CONSTANT presence on this site. It's like he tries to make this forum all about him, stealing that comment from Burgandy by the way. Rant over. My apologies for the off topic comment.

[heffray]

I see your point. Guess my opinion of him is infected by his CONSTANT presence on this site. It's like he tries to make this forum all about him, stealing that comment from Burgandy by the way. Rant over. My apologies for the off topic comment.

All good homie. Cheers.

[Professor Chaos]

I am also in the "Don't need a new dome to move-up now" Camp... Assuming you meet or exceed the average attendance requirement for FBS membership, what function does a football venue provide? Ticket revenue to fund the athletics program... using the USA Today database, here is how NDSU compares to the G5 and FCS Power 3 (MVFC, Big Sky, and CAA) for Ticket Revenue (for all sports, hence UNDs numbers for hockey):

1 Memphis $10,755,833.00
2 Nevada $9,683,290.00
3 Cincinnati $7,736,020.00
4 Boise State $7,016,928.00
5 San Diego State $6,596,027.00
6 Fresno $6,429,309.00
7 NDSU $6,379,573.00
8 ECU $6,190,857.00
9 UCF $5,984,236.00
10 Colorado State $5,784,735.00
11 Hawaii $5,602,360.00
12 Montana $5,588,367.00
13 New Mexico $5,042,302.00
14 UND $4,994,577.00
15 Houston $4,882,307.00
16 UNLV $4,726,304.00
17 USF $4,600,251.00
18 SDSU $4,131,288.00
19 Wyoming $3,971,848.00
20 ODU $3,789,906.00

If NDSU is already a solid Top 10 "non P5" program for Ticket Revenue, what does a huge capital investment provide, besides an insurmountable fundraising project, or unnecessary debt (assuming you could get a bond)? Recruits already say NDSU's crowd and their energy are a reason for their interest in the program -- most of those G5 programs cannot match the filled stadium NDSU has. The only other reason for a huge stadium is for perceived "status" of a bigger stadium (aka "dick measuring").

Could NDSU use additional seating, and some premium seating? Yes... but not at the expense of drowning in debt, or providing less funding to other athletic teams.

Now look at student fees and school funds at all those G5 schools and compare it to NDSU. Without a new stadium either the school/state or the students would have to step up big time financially for an FBS move to be successful.

IMO the right way to do it is for the boosters to shoulder the heaviest financial burden for the athletic department expenses but that's not how most G5 schools do it... it's the student body and the school that shoulders the majority in most cases.

[MankatoBison]

I am also in the "Don't need a new dome to move-up now" Camp... Assuming you meet or exceed the average attendance requirement for FBS membership, what function does a football venue provide? Ticket revenue to fund the athletics program... using the USA Today database, here is how NDSU compares to the G5 and FCS Power 3 (MVFC, Big Sky, and CAA) for Ticket Revenue (for all sports, hence UNDs numbers for hockey):

1 Memphis $10,755,833.00
2 Nevada $9,683,290.00
3 Cincinnati $7,736,020.00
4 Boise State $7,016,928.00
5 San Diego State $6,596,027.00
6 Fresno $6,429,309.00
7 NDSU $6,379,573.00
8 ECU $6,190,857.00
9 UCF $5,984,236.00
10 Colorado State $5,784,735.00
11 Hawaii $5,602,360.00
12 Montana $5,588,367.00
13 New Mexico $5,042,302.00
14 UND $4,994,577.00
15 Houston $4,882,307.00
16 UNLV $4,726,304.00
17 USF $4,600,251.00
18 SDSU $4,131,288.00
19 Wyoming $3,971,848.00
20 ODU $3,789,906.00

If NDSU is already a solid Top 10 "non P5" program for Ticket Revenue, what does a huge capital investment provide, besides an insurmountable fundraising project, or unnecessary debt (assuming you could get a bond)? Recruits already say NDSU's crowd and their energy are a reason for their interest in the program -- most of those G5 programs cannot match the filled stadium NDSU has. The only other reason for a huge stadium is for perceived "status" of a bigger stadium (aka "dick measuring").

Could NDSU use additional seating, and some premium seating? Yes... but not at the expense of drowning in debt, or providing less funding to other athletic teams.

Damn this is a good post. "rarely had the words poured from my penny pencil with such feverish fluidity"- Ralphie

[Professorbum]

I am also in the "Don't need a new dome to move-up now" Camp... Assuming you meet or exceed the average attendance requirement for FBS membership, what function does a football venue provide? Ticket revenue to fund the athletics program... using the USA Today database, here is how NDSU compares to the G5 and FCS Power 3 (MVFC, Big Sky, and CAA) for Ticket Revenue (for all sports, hence UNDs numbers for hockey):

1 Memphis $10,755,833.00
2 Nevada $9,683,290.00
3 Cincinnati $7,736,020.00
4 Boise State $7,016,928.00
5 San Diego State $6,596,027.00
6 Fresno $6,429,309.00
7 NDSU $6,379,573.00
8 ECU $6,190,857.00
9 UCF $5,984,236.00
10 Colorado State $5,784,735.00
11 Hawaii $5,602,360.00
12 Montana $5,588,367.00
13 New Mexico $5,042,302.00
14 UND $4,994,577.00
15 Houston $4,882,307.00
16 UNLV $4,726,304.00
17 USF $4,600,251.00
18 SDSU $4,131,288.00
19 Wyoming $3,971,848.00
20 ODU $3,789,906.00

If NDSU is already a solid Top 10 "non P5" program for Ticket Revenue, what does a huge capital investment provide, besides an insurmountable fundraising project, or unnecessary debt (assuming you could get a bond)? Recruits already say NDSU's crowd and their energy are a reason for their interest in the program -- most of those G5 programs cannot match the filled stadium NDSU has. The only other reason for a huge stadium is for perceived "status" of a bigger stadium (aka "dick measuring").

Could NDSU use additional seating, and some premium seating? Yes... but not at the expense of drowning in debt, or providing less funding to other athletic teams.

Actually, I could see NDSU having some brand benefit connected to continuing with the Fargo Dome. It could be billed as one of the smallest FBS stadiums, but also the one with the most ruckus. Duke's basketball arena holds 8-9K. Certainly nothing close to the larger arenas. Gonzaga's only holds 6K. But no one would say those venues lack energy or home court advantages.

Get the Fargodome to north of 20K for football and call it good.

[El_Chapo]

if the 2-3 guys that stalk me would just shut up, it'd be much easier. wanna bring up my 1983 trip to the principals office too?
funny i never take personal shots at them, but always at me.

NDSU should be FBS. period. keep the fargodome, i don't care, just saying NDSU would be better off with 100% control of ALL revenue on their own stadium

[OrygunBison]

....just saying NDSU would be better off with 100% control of ALL revenue on their own stadium

I 100% disagree with this point. The original FFD deal was a very good arrangement. The city pays for most of the cost of a facility that would otherwise have only a few NDSU events a year. It is a good partnership.