California Votes to End NCAA Amateurism

[Professor Chaos]

It figures California (North Mexico) or land of fruit and nuts, would take the lead on this issue. This paying players while in college is plain stupid. Should have known the cost of tuition stipend wouldn't keep these fools happy. Go ahead destroy football you morons.

How would it destroy football? The haves would still be the haves and the have-nots would still be the have-nots.

I'm actually surprised a state like California is first in line for these since it's basically deregulation. Maybe they see it as a way to tax more earnings... the more times they can tax the same dollar the happier they are.

[Christopher Moen]

How would it destroy football? The haves would still be the haves and the have-nots would still be the have-nots.

I'm actually surprised a state like California is first in line for these since it's basically deregulation. Maybe they see it as a way to tax more earnings... the more times they can tax the same dollar the happier they are.

I'm a bit confused on that claim too. As I previously mentioned, the Olympics went through a similar scenario, but despite the claims it would ruin the Games, the IOC and the athletes are making a whole lot more money.

[Grizzled]

Do you need to be in scholarship to be eligible for a endorsement? Could be a way for schools to funnel additional scholarship money to programs.

[taper]

I'm a bit confused on that claim too. As I previously mentioned, the Olympics went through a similar scenario, but despite the claims it would ruin the Games, the IOC and the athletes are making a whole lot more money.

And Olympic corruption skyrocketed. Real world practicality aside, are college student athletes primarily a student or and athlete?

[Christopher Moen]

And Olympic corruption skyrocketed. Real world practicality aside, are college student athletes primarily a student or and athlete?

You're going to have to clarify that claim about Olympic corruption skyrocketing after amateurism in the Olympics ended in 1992. I ask this because there has pretty much as been corruption in the Modern Day Olympics, probably in the Ancient Olympics too, since the beginning. Also, athletes from the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc prior to the end of amateurism were hardly anything close to amateurs (looking at you Red Army Hockey Team) when compared to American athletes. Pretty much correlates today with drug testing.

[Christopher Moen]

A good series that addresses the issues of amateurism at the bigger schools of the NCAA in regards to football (basketball probably has the same, if not, more): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...gTbtEQjV95noM3

The most interesting part was the short bit about Walter Byers. Byers, the first Executive Director of the NCAA, defined the phrase "Student-Athlete" in 1964 to help prevent universities from be forced to pay worker's compensation. By the time he retired, he had drastically changed his view on amateurism in the NCAA. During a speech where he was being honoring, and apparently his last public appearance in 1995, he made this statement:

"You look at the young people here, and I supposed sports is a fountain of youth because each generation of young persons come along and all they ask is, Coach, give me a chance, I can do it. They go on and surpass the marks of their predecessors, and the excitement continues and it's a disservice to these young people that the management of intercollegiate athletics stayed in a place committed to an outmoded code of amateurism, drawn quite frankly, in 1956. They can count the house and they can multiply the ticket prices and they can read the TV contracts and it doesn't take any great genius to understand that what was real in 1956 can hardly be remembered in the gross commercial climate of intercollegiate athletics today. And I attribute that to the neo-plantation mentality that exists on the campuses of our country and in the conference offices and in the NCAA, that the rewards belong to the overseers and the supervisors. The coach owns the athlete's feet, the college owns the athlete's body, and what trickles down after that can go to the athletes. All of this is not fair and I predict that the amateur code now based on a forgone philosophy and held in place for sheer economic purposes will not long stand the tests of the law."

[56BISON73]

A good series that addresses the issues of amateurism at the bigger schools of the NCAA in regards to football (basketball probably has the same, if not, more): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...gTbtEQjV95noM3

The most interesting part was the short bit about Walter Byers. Byers, the first Executive Director of the NCAA, defined the phrase "Student-Athlete" in 1964 to help prevent universities from be forced to pay worker's compensation. By the time he retired, he had drastically changed his view on amateurism in the NCAA. During a speech where he was being honoring, and apparently his last public appearance in 1995, he made this statement:

I remember back in 1970 having a conversation with a black athlete who had been part of the black boycott at Iowa in 1969. One of his comments was---"No other athlete in America needs representation more that the college athlete."

[ByeSonBusiness]

These guys get accept a scholarship. Do some deserve more? Sure.

Only way to keep the game clean is to keep it as is. If they start allowing endorsements, I believe this will get very ugly, very fast.

At least right now if they want to cheat, they gotta make it believable....sorta....

[bisonaudit]

These guys get accept a scholarship. Do some deserve more? Sure.

Only way to keep the game clean is to keep it as is. If they start allowing endorsements, I believe this will get very ugly, very fast.

At least right now if they want to cheat, they gotta make it believable....sorta....

This makes no sense.

[56BISON73]

This idea opens up a big can of worms about who gets what and how much etc etc etc. I think at the crux of the whole issue is who can make money off of a another persons likeness-name. I think the NFL has a good handle on it. Because some are going to sell more jerseys etc with their name on it than others. All sales go in a pool and the proceeds distributed out evenly to all players.