2019 Sagarin Says

[Strategery]

Well I guess that could make up for the #37 in sagarin rankings. Should be back to 30-32 range. That called back TD would have done it. God I hate Monday’s.

Any historians out there know is this the first time we’ve received a vote not after a championship game or did we get one after Iowa?

[Christopher Moen]

Any historians out there know is this the first time we’ve received a vote not after a championship game or did we get one after Iowa?

I believe NDSU has received votes after a National Championship Game a few times, but definitely received a vote after beating #13 Iowa that became somewhat controversial.


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[Professor Chaos]

Any historians out there know is this the first time we’ve received a vote not after a championship game or did we get one after Iowa?

They had the most votes ever for an FCS school in the AP Poll after that Iowa game. They got 74 points which was good for 27th in the nation. To be fair, App St wasn't eligible for the AP Poll after their historic upset of Michigan in 2007... that game was actually the impetus behind allowing AP Poll voters to vote for FCS teams since many voters wanted to vote for App St after that game but couldn't.

IIRC they got a couple votes for a good chunk of 2014 after beating Iowa St and before losing to UNI. I don't think they've gotten any votes after winning titles the last 2 years so this would be the first time they've gotten a vote in the AP Poll since the week before they lost to SDSU in 2016.

You can go back and look at all the historical AP Polls at collegepollarchive.com. This is what it looked like the week after NDSU beat Iowa: http://collegepollarchive.com/footba...7#.XbcL8OTsYpU

[THEsocalledfan]

Here is the current top 25 per Sagarin:

37 North Dakota State AA = 76.61 8 0 49.80( 150) 0 0 | 0 0 | 74.55 43 | 77.68 32 | 77.78 36 MISSOURI VALLEY
69 South Dakota State AA = 68.50 6 2 49.57( 151) 0 0 | 0 1 | 68.14 73 | 68.73 69 | 67.69 74 MISSOURI VALLEY
72 James Madison AA = 68.21 8 1 47.92( 158) 0 0 | 0 0 | 67.85 75 | 67.99 75 | 70.28 59 COLONIAL
96 Montana AA = 62.68 6 2 52.45( 140) 0 1 | 0 1 | 63.42 90 | 61.83 99 | 64.40 88 BIG SKY
102 Sacramento State AA = 61.56 6 2 56.67( 123) 0 0 | 0 0 | 63.37 91 | 59.16 112 | 70.00 63 BIG SKY
106 Weber State AA = 60.73 6 2 52.37( 142) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.72 111 | 60.68 108 | 64.30 89 BIG SKY
107 Northern Iowa AA = 60.56 5 3 53.75( 133) 0 0 | 0 1 | 59.79 110 | 60.88 104 | 60.76 105 MISSOURI VALLEY
111 Dartmouth AA = 59.87 6 0 33.25( 238) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.92 109 | 59.30 111 | 62.60 97 IVY LEAGUE
115 Princeton AA = 57.71 6 0 30.46( 249) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.66 118 | 58.12 116 | 58.46 114 IVY LEAGUE
117 Illinois State AA = 57.44 6 2 45.19( 178) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.73 126 | 58.85 114 | 58.38 115 MISSOURI VALLEY
126 Villanova AA = 54.76 6 2 43.59( 191) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.43 128 | 54.52 126 | 56.83 119 COLONIAL
127 Eastern Washington AA = 54.45 3 5 55.43( 126) 0 0 | 0 1 | 55.73 122 | 53.96 127 | 51.78 137 BIG SKY
128 UC Davis AA = 53.64 4 5 53.44( 136) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.33 129 | 53.36 131 | 51.90 136 BIG SKY
129 Kennesaw State AA = 53.57 7 1 32.16( 246) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.47 132 | 53.37 130 | 54.34 127 BIG SOUTH
130 Youngstown State AA = 53.56 5 3 43.39( 192) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.86 125 | 53.28 132 | 49.48 151 MISSOURI VALLEY
131 Furman AA = 53.52 5 3 42.11( 196) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.78 121 | 52.49 134 | 50.44 146 SOUTHERN
132 Southern Illinois AA = 53.52 4 4 53.58( 135) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.53 131 | 52.71 133 | 57.72 117 MISSOURI VALLEY
133 Montana State AA = 53.33 5 3 47.55( 160) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.90 133 | 53.49 129 | 53.17 131 BIG SKY
134 Towson AA = 53.13 4 4 48.61( 157) 0 0 | 0 1 | 55.10 123 | 52.43 135 | 48.95 155 COLONIAL
138 Central Arkansas AA = 51.16 6 2 49.51( 153) 0 0 | 0 0 | 48.95 151 | 52.01 137 | 53.43 129 SOUTHLAND
140 Elon AA = 50.94 4 4 50.86( 146) 0 0 | 0 0 | 49.92 146 | 51.08 138 | 53.15 132 COLONIAL
141 Wofford AA = 50.88 5 2 36.76( 224) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.99 136 | 50.33 142 | 49.21 152 SOUTHERN
142 South Dakota AA = 50.47 3 5 49.52( 152) 0 1 | 0 1 | 51.15 139 | 50.34 140 | 47.83 164 MISSOURI VALLEY
143 Sam Houston State AA = 50.34 5 4 45.32( 175) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.91 140 | 49.70 148 | 51.27 140 SOUTHLAND
144 Stony Brook AA = 50.13 5 3 45.89( 171) 0 0 | 0 0 | 49.41 149 | 50.28 143 | 51.13 141 COLONIAL

7 Mo valley teams! Can we share this with voters? Why can't they understand an NDSU loss needs to be treated like an FBS loss? It is nuts anyone has SDSU any lower than 3.

[TAILG8R]

7 Mo valley teams! Can we share this with voters? Why can't they understand an NDSU loss needs to be treated like an FBS loss? It is nuts anyone has SDSU any lower than 3.

It shouldn't even matter that it is NDSU. Anytime you lose the #1 team in a close game how can you fall? They are ranked as the best in the nation so by default you are ranked lower and following that logic shouldn't you be expected to lose?

[Professor Chaos]

It shouldn't even matter that it is NDSU. Anytime you lose the #1 team in a close game how can you fall? They are ranked as the best in the nation so by default you are ranked lower and following that logic shouldn't you be expected to lose?

Slot voting plain and simple. The two main tenets:
1) You can't move down if you win.
2) You must move down if you lose.

Which means no team moves up unless a team ranked ahead of them loses but that's beside the point for this debate.

The unfortunate reality is slot voting appears to be very prevalent in the national polls by STATS and Coaches poll voters. SDSU did "only" move down one to #4 in the STATS poll and two to #5 in the Coaches (still #3 in the AGS Poll though).

[THEsocalledfan]

Slot voting plain and simple. The two main tenets:
1) You can't move down if you win.
2) You must move down if you lose.

Which means no team moves up unless a team ranked ahead of them loses but that's beside the point for this debate.

The unfortunate reality is slot voting appears to be very prevalent in the national polls by STATS and Coaches poll voters. SDSU did "only" move down one to #4 in the STATS poll and two to #5 in the Coaches (still #3 in the AGS Poll though).

Yep, that is my problem right there. Yet, these same yahoos say you should not drop if you lose an FBS game. I just can't wrap my mind around it.....its like they can't understand there is much less shame in a loss to NDSU than say Nevada. You can't make this shit up.

[GreenfieldBison]

Yep, that is my problem right there. Yet, these same yahoos say you should not drop if you lose an FBS game. I just can't wrap my mind around it.....its like they can't understand there is much less shame in a loss to NDSU than say Nevada. You can't make this shit up.

One thing to keep in mind is just how rich our information flow is regarding the conditions outside our conference. I believe our media coverage is unprecedented in the FCS. I just finished listening to The Insiders where I picked up a number of nuggets of info regarding other conferences and their teams. I believe many of these voters either do not have the access to this level of information or are either too busy or too lazy to access it if they do. Thus they really have no idea just how good NDSU actually is.

I am amazed that every year there is at least one team fan base in the playoffs that comes on here and proclaims that we have never seen the likes of whatever their flavor of the day is. Examples last year the Colgate defense or Montana State Troy Andersen. Ah, yep, OK. Not hard for me to believe the voters outside the MVFC have the same level of ignorance or nearly so as their fan base.


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[MankatoBison]

A loss to NDSU is an FBS loss for other FCS teams. The fact that the committee still hasnt accepted this as 100% truth is mind boggling to me.


On a different note, The CAA is the best FCS conference and its not even close. HAVE YOU HEARD OF STONY BROOK?!?!?!

[TAILG8R]

I did this a couple weeks ago and found it interesting(and fun, mostly because it doesn't take much time)

Based on the top 25 FCS teams according to Saragin which conference is the best?
CONFERENCE | # OF TEAMS | AVERAGE RANKING | MEDIAN RANKING
MVFC | 7 | 10.71 | 10
Big Fluffy | 6 | 9.67 | 12
CAA | 5 | 15.8 | 19

Having a 7th team in the top 25 actually hurt MVFC's average ranking compared to two weeks ago. Without USD and just taking into account the top 6 MVFC teams the average would be 8.67, this gets even better if you only take into account the top 5 teams from each of the three conferences(since CAA only has 5). MVFC would have an average of 7 and Big Sky 8 while CAA stays at 15.8.

Anyway, not sure any of this means anything other than consistently showing the CAA is NOT the best conference and that the Big Fluffy with it's dozens of teams manages to have a strong showing.