Masters Golf and Any Other Miscellaneous Golf Discussion

[heffray]

If the greens at Augusta were anywhere else the players would be in open revolt over how unfair it was.

Sandy waste areas are a staple of virtually every course in the desert southwest. It would be irresponsible to do anything else at this point for both environmental and monetary reasons. I’m not sure why we need those kind of waste areas in a seaside or lakeside setting though and Dye is hardly a designer of low impact golf courses so I can get on board with those sorts of critiques. I just don’t agree with the notion that he’s responsible for the club grounding rule modification.

Fair points, though I wouldn’t consider the greens at Augusta a niche gimmick, it’s more taking what the landscape gives you, similar to how the waste areas in the southwest are just a part of the landscape. I can get behind that. But to your point, why the sand in Wisconsin (fuck Wisconsin)?

[heffray]

I see ya and generally agree. I don't think length is the only differentiator though. There are numerous things they can do with setup to alter the course challenge. For example I had a friend who was a member of Hazeltine and I played that course once just after the US Open was there. For sure the greens were difficult as they are designed to be. But they weren't like putting on glass like they were for the pros. It was possible to get an approach to stick. Sometimes.

Whatcha think about Donald Ross designs? How about Pinehurst #2? Classic, like Augusta. Tough. And speaking of Augusta those elite players make it look playable. But having been there and seeing those slopes on those greens I can tell you that even if they a metering at 10 or less for the members us mortals would be carding some high scores.

Anyway - to each their own. Pete Dye sure was involved in the design of a whole bunch of courses. I enjoy watching the variety of challenges for these elite players. I doubt they are going to commonly criticize publicly but I think they will for the PGA. I haven't seen anybody calling the course unfair.

The one kind of style I really do dislike is the target course where they don't allow you to see the damn target. Deacon's Lodge in Brainerd comes to mind.

Yeah I’m not a fan of any blind shots. More a fan of straightforward courses. What you see is what you get.

I really like Mike Keiser, the architect behind Bandon Dunes. His philosophy of golf course design is the sentiment I’m trying to convey: let the existing landscape dictate the course layout and make it straightforward. Golf is hard enough as it is, we don’t need gimmicks to make it fun.

[heffray]

Rootin' for the field today. Never been a fan of Phil.

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I used to be the same way, Re: Phil... in the last few years, though, he’s really turned it around for me. He posts a lot of funny videos and tweets and is kinda self-deprecating. He’s not the IGJAM he used to be, but he’s got just enough talent to keep it interesting...

Here’s a good example of his content: https://twitter.com/PhilMickelson/st...879205891?s=20

Plus, if he wins he makes history as the oldest major winner and I like seeing history...

[GreenfieldBison]

I used to be the same way, Re: Phil... in the last few years, though, he’s really turned it around for me. He posts a lot of funny videos and tweets and is kinda self-deprecating. He’s not the IGJAM he used to be, but he’s got just enough talent to keep it interesting...

Here’s a good example of his content: https://twitter.com/PhilMickelson/st...879205891?s=20

Plus, if he wins he makes history as the oldest major winner and I like seeing history...

He is also married to a cancer survivor. I will always pull for someone who has had to deal with that crap.


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[heffray]

He is also married to a cancer survivor. I will always pull for someone who has had to deal with that crap.


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Yeah those tears after he won his 3rd green jacket were real...

[CAS4127]

Yeah those tears after he won his 3rd green jacket were real...

He’s so far today playing better than any in the field in kinda windy/tricky conditions. If he just pars in he wins I think.


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[GreenfieldBison]

Letting the crowd out on the fairway like the British. LOVE IT!!!!


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[GreenfieldBison]

They have lost control of the crowd. This is incredible. Go get it Lefty!!!


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[GreenfieldBison]

and history is written...

Phil Mickelson: author.


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[gavin2126]

They have lost control of the crowd. This is incredible. Go get it Lefty!!!


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That was quite the scene. Phil probably enjoyed it but had to be a little unnerving having everyone right on top of him like that also.