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    Default Re: 2019 Verbal: DJ Baptist

    Quote Originally Posted by G_Funky View Post
    meh...then you'll just have to deal with people bitching that the "touch" was too much like a "push".
    While grabbing the flag, the runners pants were ripped off, with intent to humiliate the runner (too aggressive)?
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    Default Re: 2019 Verbal: DJ Baptist

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    He also made the effort to stop in at the kid's high school and apologize. Brought a signed jersey from the rest of his teammates. And this wasn't just a normal game, it was also a pretty heated rivalry. So its not like hes some characterless asshole out there looking to cheap shot people. If he had a pattern of these types of blocks I would imagine there would be a compilation out there somewhere...but there's not so it was obviously an anomaly. I mean when I was in high school we didnt apologize to kids after we de-cleated them...we gave out "slobber knocker" awards after each game and put the hits on the end of the year highlight tape.
    Definitely! Players don't usually do this kind of thing because they are jerks or they are dirty. They are just trying to hit somebody and don't understand the danger (he's just as likely to hurt himself as his opponent with this hit). I definitely wouldn't think less of him because of one illegal hit. When you are on the field you often pick up on the guys that are actually trouble and it's very rarely a surprise when you give the coach a heads up. His teammates will often give it away also. I'll ask the center, "so is #74 often difficult." He usually responds with an eye roll and something like, "he's an idiot and gets in trouble every week." Some guys are just too amped up and don't play with an intelligent filter. It's usually just a matter of time before they do something to get them in trouble. One play usually doesn't define that though.

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    Can't this discussion be move to a different thread title vice continuing to carry it on a Recruit Named thread?
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    Default Re: 2019 Verbal: DJ Baptist

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    Can't this discussion be move to a different thread title vice continuing to carry it on a Recruit Named thread?
    Ditto. And I nominate that it be christened The Snowflake Football Rules and Refs thread.

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    Default Re: 2019 Verbal: DJ Baptist

    Plays happen so fast that I really doubt most targeting fouls are intentional.

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    Default Re: 2019 Verbal: DJ Baptist

    Quote Originally Posted by westnodak93bison View Post
    Plays happen so fast that I really doubt most targeting fouls are intentional.

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    I disagree because most of them involve a player taking several steps to the block or tackle. The intentional part is usually because the defender is trying to hit the defender rather than tackle them. It's not an absolute but for the most part if you try to tackle the runner rather than just hit the runner, you usually don't commit targeting. The really dumb ones are with the crown of the helmet into a guy already on the ground. You don't even need to touch him and can easily avoid that specific contact.

    Targeting fouls are intended to change a behavior and get players to tackle rather than hit. I haven't seen data that shows the number of targeting fouls year over year so I have no idea if it's actually working to change that behavior. On blocks most targeting occurs on the blindside hits after a change of possession or the receiver coming back to block on a sweep. If they make those blindside blocks illegal you'll likely see a lot less targeting there as well.

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    Default Re: 2019 Verbal: DJ Baptist

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    Can't this discussion be move to a different thread title vice continuing to carry it on a Recruit Named thread?
    Guess not. Just wondering how continuing the discussion in the name of DJ Baptist helps retention and recruiting. I guess you all know best. Or personal point scoring is more important that recruiting and retention to BV.

    I guess DJ Baptist is supposed to believe that any press is better than no press even when BV folks suggest you created cheap shot.

    LET IT GO and CLOSE THIS THREAD! Please.
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    Default Re: 2019 Verbal: DJ Baptist

    Quote Originally Posted by VirginiaBison View Post
    Guess not. Just wondering how continuing the discussion in the name of DJ Baptist helps retention and recruiting. I guess you all know best. Or personal point scoring is more important that recruiting and retention to BV.

    I guess DJ Baptist is supposed to believe that any press is better than no press even when BV folks suggest you created cheap shot.

    LET IT GO and CLOSE THIS THREAD! Please.
    Amen, this doesn't seem like it would encourage anyone to want to go to Fargo for the next 4 years of their life.

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    Default Re: 2019 Verbal: DJ Baptist

    Quote Originally Posted by gabisonfan View Post
    Amen, this doesn't seem like it would encourage anyone to want to go to Fargo for the next 4 years of their life.
    I'm pretty sure our coaches say "don't look at Bisonville".

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    Default Re: 2019 Verbal: DJ Baptist

    Quote Originally Posted by IndyBison View Post
    Yes you can and should block him because he's still very much in the play. What you don't need to do is blow him up like this. If he doesn't see you coming a slight push is sufficient to put him on the ground. I've seen it happen often and it happens to be when I'm trailing a play and someone accidentally bumps me. The other thing you'll notice is if the blocker knows the defender sees him coming he hits him completely different. This is a great example of someone who knows he can blow him up because he doesn't see it coming. Sometimes they look for the guy who doesn't see it coming and blocks him instead of someone who is closer to the runner but would see his hit coming. That's what is changing. It has been the rule in the NFL for several years and they seem to be able to block people.

    I did a Google search for legal blind side block videos and this one gives several good example of legal blind side blocks. As you can see each of these takes the defender out of the play but is much less violent than the other examples given. These are actually more common than the blowup hits even in NCAA where the blow up hit is still legal as long as the defender isn't out of the play or it's not targeting. They just don't get glorified like the blow up hit does.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Y3qN4BO2k
    I'll start by saying I am concerned about my son playing tackle football with all we know, especially when he gets older...that said...

    I watched the video, and I think the challenge I and others on here have, is that the more penalties are based on degree of force used, it makes penalties much more of a subjective call than an objective one. If your block sends someone back a yard is that too harsh?, two yards? To the ground? Or are you trying judge intent? What if in the videos the runners had cut or circled back and the lightly blocked player then made the tackle...the coach will tell their players to block harder the next time. It just seems like there is so much more subjectivity in rules for refs which leads to inconsistency and refs impacting game outcomes on really gray area judgments. For example, how many actual non-aggregious (I realize that's not a rulebook term) hits on the qb were personal foul flags this year in the nfl - I saw quite a few and they were sometimes game deciders.
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