Brock Robbins

[Twincitybizon]

Depends on how much he took before, during and after the game. The product has a ridiculous amount of caffeine in it. So much, that too much is a health hazard as oppose to being an enhancer of any kind. I don't think most student-athletes, let alone adults, understand how much 250 mg of caffeine is at one setting.

Calling 250mg of caffeine a lot in one sitting just shows you're out of touch on this. It is average for a product like this. Which probably 40-50 percent of males age 17-28 take. You probably masterbate to Jane Fonda before calling your buddy up on your rotary phone.

[bisonaudit]

Calling 250mg of caffeine a lot in one sitting just shows you're out of touch on this. It is average for a product like this. Which probably 40-50 percent of males age 17-28 take. You probably masterbate to Jane Fonda before calling your buddy up on your rotary phone.

Lemmings. Shotgunning 3 cans of coke is a lot of caffeine no matter how many under 30 gym rat dude bros are doing it.

[Vet70]

Calling 250mg of caffeine a lot in one sitting just shows you're out of touch on this. It is average for a product like this. Which probably 40-50 percent of males age 17-28 take. You probably masterbate to Jane Fonda before calling your buddy up on your rotary phone.

[Christopher Moen]

Calling 250mg of caffeine a lot in one sitting just shows you're out of touch on this. It is average for a product like this. Which probably 40-50 percent of males age 17-28 take. You probably masterbate to Jane Fonda before calling your buddy up on your rotary phone.

250 mg of caffeine is about the equivalent of downing three cups of coffee at once. That's a lot of caffeine at one time, and no, not the "average for a product like this." Here's information on one of the beverages I drink at events to stay alert: https://www.caffeineinformer.com/caf...star-pure-zero It has 240 mg of caffeine per can. Looking at the information at the bottom of the page, that's slightly less than Redline Energy Drink, but about three times the amount in Red Bull. If the caffeine equivalent of one scoop of Clean Victory is in the same amount of one serving of a product called Redline Energy Drink isn't a telltale of a lot of caffeine at one setting for you, then perhaps you're drinking too much caffeine yourself. The NCAA drug testing company suggests athletes not to exceed 500 mg of caffeine in a short period, mainly because of the health risks, not because it becomes an enhancer. Going past this limit is nothing but consequential.

If you don't think my opinion that high concentration amounts of caffeine is dangerous, take a look at study published last year: https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardio...-energy-drinks

[Twincitybizon]

Lemmings. Shotgunning 3 cans of coke is a lot of caffeine no matter how many under 30 gym rat dude bros are doing it.

Lol if you wanna go down that road we could have a conversation with literally everyone about salt intake, alcohol consumption, smoking, TV consumption, SOCIAL MEDIA, and a wide range of other shit we know is bad for us. But yeah THEY'RE the dumb ones

[3Putt]

Depends on how much he took before, during and after the game. The product has a ridiculous amount of caffeine in it. So much, that too much is a health hazard as oppose to being an enhancer of any kind. I don't think most student-athletes, let alone adults, understand how much 250 mg of caffeine is at one setting.

Take a look at how many Starbucks drinks are over 250mg of caffeine.
https://www.caffeineinformer.com/the...bucks-caffeine

Short(8 floz) Tall(12 floz) Grande(16 floz) Venti(20 floz)
Pike Place Brewed Coffee 155mg 235mg 310mg 410mg
Blonde Roast 180mg 270mg 360mg 475mg
Featured Dark Roast 130mg 195mg 260mg 340mg
Clover® Brewed Coffees – – – –
-Reserve roasts 190mg 280mg 380mg 470mg
-Blonde roasts 155mg 255mg 340mg 425mg

[Twincitybizon]

250 mg of caffeine is about the equivalent of downing three cups of coffee at once. That's a lot of caffeine at one time, and no, not the "average for a product like this." Here's information on one of the beverages I drink at events to stay alert: https://www.caffeineinformer.com/caf...star-pure-zero It has 240 mg of caffeine per can. Looking at the information at the bottom of the page, that's slightly less than Redline Energy Drink, but about three times the amount in Red Bull. If the caffeine equivalent of one scoop of Clean Victory is in the same amount of one serving of a product called Redline Energy Drink isn't a telltale of a lot of caffeine at one setting for you, then perhaps you're drinking too much caffeine yourself. The NCAA drug testing company suggests athletes not to exceed 500 mg of caffeine in a short period, mainly because of the health risks, not because it becomes an enhancer. Going past this limit is nothing but consequential.

If you don't think my opinion that high concentration amounts of caffeine is dangerous, take a look at study published last year: https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardio...-energy-drinks

Of course its dangerous. Didn't say out wasn't. Daily you should keep it under 500mg. Comparing it to coffee shows you're out of touch. A previous post talking about eating Creatine by the spoonful isn't helping your case

[IzzyFlexion]

The following is a hypothetical scenario with some basic science mixed in:

Let's say that.....

-an athlete is in the locker room preparing to play in a football game.

-During that time, this same athlete consumes a beverage(s) containing 2 scoops of the product (supplement) that has been referenced in this thread.

-This particular powdered beverage contains 250 milligrams of anhydrous caffeine per scoop.

-Nearly all of this caffeine is present throughout this athlete's body's within 45 minutes.*

-the result (500 total milligrams of caffeine) puts that athlete at about 15 mcg/mL (at the NCAA maximum allowable limit).

-then, the athlete competes in that day's football game which typically lasts for about 3 hours.

-the athlete's body metabolizes the ingested caffeine at a rate of [half of the amount consumed] over a 5 hour period**

-The total elapsed time (getting dressed, warm up, additional pre-game activities, on the field post-game activities), is perhaps 4 hours.

-assuming no additional caffeine was ingested since the initial amount discussed above, the remaining level would likely be between 260-280 mg (8-9 mcg/mL)

-Once the player is back in the locker room area, a drug screening is administered.

-In the scenario above, this particular athlete would PASS the urinalysis according to the NCAA guidelines.

-In order to fail a POST-GAME test under the above scenario, this athlete would have had to have consumed between 800-850 milligrams of caffeine before the game.

or...…...and this is the part that makes me cringe.....

-He would have had to consume caffeine DURING the game.

And, of course, most of this shit is moot if the test in the above scenario was administered pre-game.

*https://www.caffeineinformer.com/caffeine-metabolism

** https://www.news-medical.net/health/...rmacology.aspx

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[Christopher Moen]

Of course its dangerous. Didn't say out wasn't. Daily you should keep it under 500mg. Comparing it to coffee shows you're out of touch. A previous post talking about eating Creatine by the spoonful isn't helping your case

Keeping under 500 mg daily is one thing. Downing 500 mg an hour or two before a competition is what would set off a red flag and a positive urine test for too much caffeine. No, nothing I put here is out of touch as it has to do with the NCAA limitations, plus younger people today, still drink coffee. Not sure what you're referring to about creatine.

[Christopher Moen]

The following is a hypothetical scenario with some basic science mixed in:

Let's say that.....

-an athlete is in the locker room preparing to play in a football game.

-During that time, this same athlete consumes a beverage(s) containing 2 scoops of the product (supplement) that has been referenced in this thread.

-This particular powdered beverage contains 250 milligrams of anhydrous caffeine per scoop.

-Nearly all of this caffeine is present throughout this athlete's body's within 45 minutes.*

-the result (500 total milligrams of caffeine) puts that athlete at about 15 mcg/mL (at the NCAA maximum allowable limit).

-then, the athlete competes in that day's football game which typically lasts for about 3 hours.

-the athlete's body metabolizes the ingested caffeine at a rate of [half of the amount consumed] over a 5 hour period**

-The total elapsed time (getting dressed, warm up, additional pre-game activities, on the field post-game activities), is perhaps 4 hours.

-assuming no additional caffeine was ingested since the initial amount discussed above, the remaining level would likely be between 260-280 mg (8-9 mcg/mL)

-Once the player is back in the locker room area, a drug screening is administered.

-In the scenario above, this particular athlete would PASS the urinalysis according to the NCAA guidelines.

-In order to fail a POST-GAME test under the above scenario, this athlete would have had to have consumed between 800-850 milligrams of caffeine before the game.

or...…...and this is the part that makes me cringe.....

-He would have had to consume caffeine DURING the game.

And, of course, most of this shit is moot if the test in the above scenario was administered pre-game.

*https://www.caffeineinformer.com/caffeine-metabolism

** https://www.news-medical.net/health/...rmacology.aspx

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What if he was dehydrated throughout the day? Maybe with it being finals week, he was pounding to much caffeine to begin with. Without being fully hydrated, the body's metabolism isn't the same.