This Bison team!

[MAKBison]

Brock Jensen 2013 Stats
2,793 Passing Yards, 34 TD’s 7 INT’s, 66.3% completion percentage 218 completions on 329 attempts
479 Rushing Yards on 99 carries and 10 Rushing TD’s
Overall 7.64 yards and 0.10 TD’s per offensive attempt

Easton Stick 2018 Stats (through 14 games)
2,554 Passing Yards, 26 TD’s 5 INT’s, 61.8% completion percentage 162 completions on 262 attempts
556 Rushing Yards on 99 carries and 14 Rushing TD’s
Overall 8.61 yards and 0.11 TD’s per offensive attempt

Stick has had a great year, but from a purely statistical perspective, Jensen’s 2013 campaign was right up there. Jensen benefited from better weapons surrounding him, but Stick also benefited from the better coordinator. Stick has been more efficient than Jensen but at this point, Jensen’s 2013 campaign is still arguably the best QB season we have seen from a Bison.

I honestly think it is a toss-up between the two, but from a TEAM perspective, I’d take the 2013 TEAM due to the depth factor.

You are not taking into account avg yards per pass. I bet ES is much greater. Being that ES has a more complete passing game it makes him more complete dangerous asset.

Btw, I am guessing ES has a better yard per pass average. I never looked it up. I just don't recall J chucking more than 5 to 7 yards too often. ES makes you play the entire field cuz of his long ball ability.

Not a hit on Brock at all (the family knows him a bit outside of FB) he is a great guy and was a greatcQB.....winner!

[2011BisonAlumni]

You are not taking into account avg yards per pass. I bet ES is much greater. Being that ES has a more complete passing game it makes him more complete dangerous asset.

Btw, I am guessing ES has a better yards per pass average. I never looked it up

He does....overall averages one more yard per total offensive attempt

[MAKBison]

I thought it ES would be greater....wow! My bad, did not read far enough down.....sitten here sweating my balls off trying to type while my arms are screaming. Good work out tho

What would happen if u flipped the receivers

[dewey]

2013

Outscored their opponents 38.7 to 11.2 per game for the year.

2018

Outscored their opponents 41.7 to 11.8 per game through 14 games.

Statistically, 2018 probably gets the edge, although 2013 had a tougher road having the K State game on their resume. I’d also say the 2013 team never had a YSU performance on their resume. 2018 has to win the National Championship to even be in conversation, but I guess I’d break it down like this.

Quarterbacks
-Advantage 2013 team, overall, however I’m taking Stick if both teams played one game. Stick might win the Payton, but it is easy to forget how good Jensen was in 2013. 2013 team also has Wentz sitting on the bench.

Running Backs
-Advantage 2013 team. No offense to this group of horses, but Ojuri/Crockett was filthy

Wide Receivers
-Advantage 2013 team. Vraa had the greatest season by a receiver in NDSU history and Ryan Smith did everything Shepherd can do

Offensive Line
-Advantage 2013 team. NFL players at both tackles

Tight Ends
-Tough call but I probably would go with 2018. Ben Ellefson is a stud.

Defensive Line
-Man really tough call. 2013 was really good along the starting front, but I don’t think they had the depth 2018 has or the versatility. Probably taking 2018 in a game just due to the depth.

Linebackers
-2013 clear advantage. Coz IMO is better than anyone on the 2013 team, but 2013 has Beck.

Safeties
-Man another tough call. Grimsley and Henricks are really good, and Heagle and Dudzik are legends. I’m probably going to go with 2018. Robbie is a two time All American and James Hendricks is so versatile.

Cornerbacks
-2013 clearly with CJ Smith and Marcus Williams.

Special Teams
-2013. Adam Keller is the best field goal kicker in school history and Ben single handily won games for us. Also had better return game with Ryan Smith and Dudzik.

Coaching Staff
-Might be where the game is decided. 2018 by a landslide with Mess being the X factor.

Overall....man I don’t know. All in all, I’m probably going with 2013.

Good analysis. I will point out that NDSU was trailing UNI 23-10 to start the 4th quarter in 2013 and came back to win 24-23. IIRC UNI barely made the playoffs or missed the playoffs. Either way they were the typical "meh" but played great against NDSU. The 2013 team had a better team in FBS but also had a D2 team in Ferris State while this years team played SDSU twice.

I would take Stick over Jensen...though you couldn't go wrong with either. Like choosing which one of the kids is the favorite.

Dewey

[MAKBison]

Good analysis. I will point out that NDSU was trailing UNI 23-10 to start the 4th quarter in 2013 and came back to win 24-23. IIRC UNI barely made the playoffs or missed the playoffs. Either way they were the typical "meh" but played great against NDSU. The 2013 team had a better team in FBS but also had a D2 team in Ferris State while this years team played SDSU twice.

I have heard it said, 2013 more individual talent 2018 better team. Idk

I really hate comparing teams I am not sure u can do it.

[Ndsu84]

What about individual players from years back?

How would players fit in to this years team? Are they bigger, stronger, faster today? Or were the weight room numbers just as impressive back then?

I’m not trying to criticize any player or team. Just very intrigued about how the bison have evolved. Or were they so good back then, they’ve just done well to carry on?

[56BISON73]

What about individual players from years back?

How would players fit in to this years team? Are they bigger, stronger, faster today? Or were the weight room numbers just as impressive back then?

I’m not trying to criticize any player or team. Just very intrigued about how the bison have evolved. Or were they so good back then, they’ve just done well to carry on?

Steve Nelson, Jerry Dahl would have fit in the DE and LB. Keith Kreisbach CB return man. Rich Henry FB Kevin Gavery OLB. Just thinking what could have been if we would of had strength and conditioning coaches. We has a tiny room with one universal weight machine. Very few free weights. most were dumbells. If you wanted to do any real power of olympic lifting you had to go to the YMCA. Of course you needed a membership which nobody could really afford.

[Vet70]

This thread is bad juju. If we lose it's going to be Ndsu84's fault. MankatoBison already cost us CK.

[2011BisonAlumni]

What about individual players from years back?

How would players fit in to this years team? Are they bigger, stronger, faster today? Or were the weight room numbers just as impressive back then?

I’m not trying to criticize any player or team. Just very intrigued about how the bison have evolved. Or were they so good back then, they’ve just done well to carry on?

Not sure about individual players, but 1986 shouldn’t be in discussion. I frankly don’t think they hang with any of these recent Bison teams.

More intriguing thought would be 2007. Tons of NFL talent and they beat two FBS teams that year.

[reformedUNDfan]

2013

Outscored their opponents 38.7 to 11.2 per game for the year.

2018

Outscored their opponents 41.7 to 11.8 per game through 14 games.

Statistically, 2018 probably gets the edge, although 2013 had a tougher road having the K State game on their resume. I’d also say the 2013 team never had a YSU performance on their resume. 2018 has to win the National Championship to even be in conversation, but I guess I’d break it down like this.

Quarterbacks
-Advantage 2013 team, overall, however I’m taking Stick if both teams played one game. Stick might win the Payton, but it is easy to forget how good Jensen was in 2013. 2013 team also has Wentz sitting on the bench.

Running Backs
-Advantage 2013 team. No offense to this group of horses, but Ojuri/Crockett was filthy

Wide Receivers
-Advantage 2013 team. Vraa had the greatest season by a receiver in NDSU history and Ryan Smith did everything Shepherd can do

Offensive Line
-Advantage 2013 team. NFL players at both tackles

Tight Ends
-Tough call but I probably would go with 2018. Ben Ellefson is a stud.

Defensive Line
-Man really tough call. 2013 was really good along the starting front, but I don’t think they had the depth 2018 has or the versatility. Probably taking 2018 in a game just due to the depth.

Linebackers
-2013 clear advantage. Coz IMO is better than anyone on the 2013 team, but 2013 has Beck.

Safeties
-Man another tough call. Grimsley and Henricks are really good, and Heagle and Dudzik are legends. I’m probably going to go with 2018. Robbie is a two time All American and James Hendricks is so versatile.

Cornerbacks
-2013 clearly with CJ Smith and Marcus Williams.

Special Teams
-2013. Adam Keller is the best field goal kicker in school history and Ben single handily won games for us. Also had better return game with Ryan Smith and Dudzik.

Coaching Staff
-Might be where the game is decided. 2018 by a landslide with Mess being the X factor.

Overall....man I don’t know. All in all, I’m probably going with 2013.

this years RB's are better than 2013, not really sure how you could argue otherwise. Deeper, and as or more talented.

On the other hand the best safety of the dynasty was Christian Dudzik. Fastest of the bunch by quite a bit and maybe the best tackler. If he could catch he would've been an all american for sure. With Shepard and Heagle 2013 was the better unit.

as far as the line goes, I like 2018 better. Wouldn't be surprised to see several players play pro