hAs rIcHmAn RuN tHiS pRoGrAm InTo ThE gRoUnD??

[unbison]

yup. you show them the stats and the BIG WINS (none) show them the 300 ranked wins, losing to a D3 team.
they want this! they embrace the sub-mediocrity

You are just butthirt as Dave dislikes you

[unbison]

The Summit as a whole has dropped from being consistently a top 12 conference to outside the top 20, according to Sagarin, Massey and others. You list two data points for individual teams in the conference.

One is because ORU got super hot one weekend last year.
The other is because SDSU is unsurprisingly sleepwalking through the conference. Last Sagarin rating I saw had SDSU at 77...

...which brings me to my next point that what SDSU is doing this year should be what we are shooting for as a program given our fan base, facility and financial investment. We have not been there since Dave has been head coach.

His best year was negated by Covid
When vinnie and Tyson were seniors we were looking for a 12 seed again
Our financial investment in basketball?

[tjbison]

I wish it was more I don’t feel Dave is the biggest problem
Scheduling and budget are the two biggest limited budget affects scheduling and recruiting

I'm a FB first guy, but also wonder if some funds could be thrown towards BBall to help and possibly increase the overall profile of NDSU because let's face it MBBall winning Tourney games garnered more national recognition than FB winning FCS and thats not even debatable. Hell taking Kansas to the wire in 09 did also, and oh playing DUKE also.

[unbison]

SDSU budget=2.17 million
Northern Iowa = 3.55 million
Creighton = 8.5 million
Ndsu= 1.75 million

Just saying

[tjbison]

SDSU budget=2.17 million
Northern Iowa = 3.55 million
Creighton = 8.5 million
Ndsu= 1.75 million

Just saying

What do the other MVC and MWC schools spend on BBall? I feel NDSU could easily be in the 4-5M range

Maybe I'm totally off

[EC8CH]

What do the other MVC and MWC schools spend on BBall? I feel NDSU could easily be in the 4-5M range

Maybe I'm totally off

I'm at the games. I buy a taco in a bag. How much more do they want from me?

[BigLakeBison]

I wish it was more I don’t feel Dave is the biggest problem
Scheduling and budget are the two biggest limited budget affects scheduling and recruiting

Fair enough. I’m not sold on Dave and feel like better scheduling would expose his weaknesses even more. That being said, without increased funding it will be very difficult to find an upgrade over Dave. I personally believe that our minimal funding of basketball is even more criticizable than an FBS move or lack there of. The leadership has much more control over that than an FBS move.

[bruinbison]

The Summit as a whole has dropped from being consistently a top 12 conference to outside the top 20, according to Sagarin, Massey and others. You list two data points for individual teams in the conference.

One is because ORU got super hot one weekend last year.
The other is because SDSU is unsurprisingly sleepwalking through the conference. Last Sagarin rating I saw had SDSU at 77...

...which brings me to my next point that what SDSU is doing this year should be what we are shooting for as a program given our fan base, facility and financial investment. We have not been there since Dave has been head coach.

Can someone show where NDSU was consistently a Top 12 Conference?
I sure don’t remember that. What were the rankings for the last 10-15 years?

On the good news front, St Thomas may be hurting the average this season, but they have a very nice recruiting class coming in next season……

[unbison]

Can someone show where NDSU was consistently a Top 12 Conference?
I sure don’t remember that. What were the rankings for the last 10-15 years?

On the good news front, St Thomas may be hurting the average this season, but they have a very nice recruiting class coming in next season……

They are not as bad as centenary was when we joined

[Professor Chaos]

The MidCon/Summit has always been in the bottom third of D1 conferences. It's a long ways from being a league that could get multiple bids but it's good enough to get its champ onto the 12 line (which is where SDSU likely ends up if they don't choke again in Sioux Falls).