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    I agree.

    He has a duty as a priest to provide counsel.

    Some people are bad at parts of their job and in this case the stakes are huge.
    Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
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    "Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
    Scrooge- "If they would rather die," "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
    All of the lots on University are currently zoned for multiple. All of the lots on 12th St and 11th Ave are zoned single family.

    I'm not here arguing against the project. I am simply pointing out what obstacles they are going to face. No doubt eventually the planning commission will go along with the project although you might see major changes to what is currently being proposed for the apartment building. Then the city commission will OK the project by either a 4-1 or 3-2 vote depending on how Strand votes.
    I guess they are single family houses on paper, but in reality they are apartments. Houses with the upstairs, downstairs, and individual rooms being rented.

    They probably say something like reduce the size of the 5 story apartment to 3 or 4 stories or make them bigger with less units.

    I actually like the way it's designed. The back end of University is parking lot so it blends into the neighborhood much better and eliminates drive ways on a busy one way street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammersmith View Post
    I don't think it's really a NIMBY situation. Some context is needed to understand why people are upset.

    The section of Fargo between Main and 19th is serviced by three elementary schools: Washington(Broadway and 19th - near Fargo North), Madison(near the I-29/12th Ave Stamart - south of the old 12th Ave Stop-N-Go), and Horace Mann/Roosevelt(two schools - K-2 & 3-5). All of these schools are under capacity and the district is already looking at closing one of them and splitting the kids between the two others. Because Horace Mann and Roosevelt are two of the oldest buildings left in the district, it's likely those schools will be the ones closed. If that happens, most of the kids in the area in question will be bused across the 12th Ave viaduct to Madison.

    When you hear residents talking about how this project could be the death of their neighborhood, what they mean is that the loss of single family homes between this project and the project across from the SHAC with cross the tipping point in regards to Roosevelt enrollment. The district won't be able to justify keeping it open, and when that happens the desirability of that area for families will plummet. It could start a death spiral for that whole area.

    OTOH, it's also not right to artificially freeze an area forever. I feel for the residents affected, but I think that area of Fargo needs to change. Still, we shouldn't just dismiss their concerns out of hand or act like they're just being selfish assholes. That whole area has been mostly single family homes for 80+ years. The increase in NDSU enrollment and demands for additional student housing has only picked up in the last decade or two.
    Aren't 13 of the 17 homes in question currently vacate or abandoned? So the potential loss of homes that are providing housing to local elementary school families seems minimal.

    The project isn't just gear to provide housing to the catholic students, it will be open to all students and non students. No different than the housing being done on 32nd ave north.

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    Forgot to reply way back when...

    I agree with all of you that said the neighborhood they want is not coming back. I was just trying to say that the reason they were being so vocal was because this project symbolizes the end of that hope for them. I think they could delude themselves as long as those small houses existed, even though no right-minded young family would want one. Or could afford what the slum lords would want for them. But once those houses come down, it's over. The dream(unrealistic as it is) will be dead. I just wanted to contrast the reasons why this group is upset(probable loss of local elementary school) versus the standard NIMBY protesting of not wanting something different nearby.

    All that being said, they need to face facts that the neighborhood they remember is never coming back. Instead of fighting every little thing, they should be pushing for very high density buildings along a narrow corridor along 12th and University with adequate underground parking. Pull students and their cars out of the crappy houses and replace them with better homes to raise the property values and quality of life. Use these big projects to create a fire-break to save something of the neighborhood. By trying to make these projects smaller and smaller, the neighborhood association is actually making things worse in the long-run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammersmith View Post
    Forgot to reply way back when...

    I agree with all of you that said the neighborhood they want is not coming back. I was just trying to say that the reason they were being so vocal was because this project symbolizes the end of that hope for them. I think they could delude themselves as long as those small houses existed, even though no right-minded young family would want one. Or could afford what the slum lords would want for them. But once those houses come down, it's over. The dream(unrealistic as it is) will be dead. I just wanted to contrast the reasons why this group is upset(probable loss of local elementary school) versus the standard NIMBY protesting of not wanting something different nearby.

    All that being said, they need to face facts that the neighborhood they remember is never coming back. Instead of fighting every little thing, they should be pushing for very high density buildings along a narrow corridor along 12th and University with adequate underground parking. Pull students and their cars out of the crappy houses and replace them with better homes to raise the property values and quality of life. Use these big projects to create a fire-break to save something of the neighborhood. By trying to make these projects smaller and smaller, the neighborhood association is actually making things worse in the long-run.
    I agree with this. And I don't know how a large multi-unit building like this affects property values but I can't imagine the condition that the rentals were in was doing anything to help them. My guess is Roers/Fargo Diocese/whoever is going to own this complex is going to do more to 'keep up' the condition of the property than someone like Mr. Sabo and the like.

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    Damn it, guys.

    These people's dreams are better than the reality the Catholics and Roers will create.

    Who are you to squash them?
    Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
    Scrooge-"Are there no prisons?". "Plenty of prisons..."
    Scrooge-"And the Union workhouses." . "Are they still in operation?". "Both very busy, sir..."
    "Those who are badly off must go there."
    "Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
    Scrooge- "If they would rather die," "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

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    http://www.inforum.com/news/governme...-newman-center

    Vintage homes? That is quite the exaggeration. I am thinking shit hole is a better description
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    Local socialist thinks real estate investments are bad idea:

    http://www.inforum.com/opinion/colum...thing-ponyland

    refers to this as being about 'historical neighborhood preservation'.

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    seems about right to me.
    Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
    Scrooge-"Are there no prisons?". "Plenty of prisons..."
    Scrooge-"And the Union workhouses." . "Are they still in operation?". "Both very busy, sir..."
    "Those who are badly off must go there."
    "Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
    Scrooge- "If they would rather die," "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

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    Quote Originally Posted by HerdBot View Post
    http://www.inforum.com/news/governme...-newman-center

    Vintage homes? That is quite the exaggeration. I am thinking shit hole is a better description
    None of this makes sense as the homes in the area are fairly run down. My guess is that the homeowners in the area are trying to prevent competition for student renting in the area.
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