2018 Fall Camp

[HerdBot]

I could go on and on about how excited I am with the build of this team right now. When did the last group of Bohl recruits leave? I'm pretty sure Stick committed the year Bohl left, and Klieman and Co had to keep them committed, right? Look at the size of these Sr and Jr classes, tons of talented guys sticking around and creating some depth that we haven't seen at NDSU ever. Klieman and Entz have got to be licking their chops at the opportunity to coach this defensive group.

Also, as far as special team concerns, it sounds like it's a huge emphasis of this camp. If we can stay healthy, I see improvements in every area. It helps that Roehl is getting involved with that group too.

Klieman and his coaches recruited young guys like Jabril Cox, Dillon Radunz, Volson, Gindorf, Howieson, Josh Hays, and Seth Wison


The 2015 class which was 100% Klieman includes
Bruce Anderson
Matt Anderson
Marquise Bridges
Ty Brooks
Jaxon Browne
Jack Darnell
Dom Davis
Robbie Grimsley,
James Hendricks
Ben Ellefson
Zack Johnson
Cole Karcz
Aaron Mercadel
Cam Pedersen
Demaris Purifoy
Brock Robbins
Derrek Tuszka,
Dimitri Williams,

The 2014 had a few guys that were committed when Bohl left but these guys were all post Bohl
Wimbush, Blake Williams, Darriius Shepherd, Collin Connor, Nate Jenson and Lance Dunn

The Bohl staff had their hands on Stick, RJ, Jaylen Allison, and Menard but Klieman and his staff kept them.+

They also had their hands on the North Dakota kids but lets face it, we don't lose in state kids with our without Bohl.

Guys like Jordheim, Butler, and Steidl were walk ons and recruited by current coaches.

Klieman and Bohl are both great recruiters.

[reformedUNDfan]

2013 vs 2018, on paper

OL: 2013 is a high bar, but even if 2018 it isn't better at tackle it will be as good or better in the middle

FB/TE: 2018, the talent and depth and TE is overwhelming

WR: hard to know right now, but I speculate that 2018 could have a good advantage here if the rumors of the freshman pan out.

RB: Lance is IMO the best back here since Lamar, and Bruce is excellent as well. Crock and Ojuri were great but Crocket would be just another (excellent) cog in 2018's stable

QB: Imagine telling a rube fan in 2013 that Brock would be our worst QB of the decade

Offense: 2018 should have an advantage here, possibly a significant one

DL: both the units were deep and loaded. This year might deeper, but 2013 had KE

LB: Cox and whichever of several veteran upperclassmen put around him will be very good, possibly as good as Beck Olson and Littlejohn, and hopefully deeper

DB: Williams Shepard Heagle Dudzik Smith are the GOAT. Shepard and Smith had tremendous gamechanging speed at safety that I don't think anyone on 2018 can match. (IIRC 4.43 and 4.35 40's) This year should be deeper, and roughly as good at corner, and all the FS candidate have better hands than Dudzik.

Defense: roughly a tie

Special Teams: 2013, KR, PR, K, P all better in 2013

Overall: 2018

[El_Chapo]

2013 vs 2018, on paper

OL: 2013 is a high bar, but even if 2018 it isn't better at tackle it will be as good or better in the middle

FB/TE: 2018, the talent and depth and TE is overwhelming

WR: hard to know right now, but I speculate that 2018 could have a good advantage here if the rumors of the freshman pan out.

RB: Lance is IMO the best back here since Lamar, and Bruce is excellent as well. Crock and Ojuri were great but Crocket would be just another (excellent) cog in 2018's stable

QB: Imagine telling a rube fan in 2013 that Brock would be our worst QB of the decade

Offense: 2018 should have an advantage here, possibly a significant one

DL: both the units were deep and loaded. This year might deeper, but 2013 had KE

LB: Cox and whichever of several veteran upperclassmen put around him will be very good, possibly as good as Beck Olson and Littlejohn, and hopefully deeper

DB: Williams Shepard Heagle Dudzik Smith are the GOAT. Shepard and Smith had tremendous gamechanging speed at safety that I don't think anyone on 2018 can match. (IIRC 4.43 and 4.35 40's) This year should be deeper, and roughly as good at corner, and all the FS candidate have better hands than Dudzik.

Special Teams: 2013, KR, PR, K, P all better in 2013

Overall: 2018

M-WILL would like a word with you... this is laughable.

2013 > 2018 all day long and twice on sundays, sorry.

[Rixen]

2013 vs 2018, on paper

OL: 2013 is a high bar, but even if 2018 it isn't better at tackle it will be as good or better in the middle

FB/TE: 2018, the talent and depth and TE is overwhelming

WR: hard to know right now, but I speculate that 2018 could have a good advantage here if the rumors of the freshman pan out.

RB: Lance is IMO the best back here since Lamar, and Bruce is excellent as well. Crock and Ojuri were great but Crocket would be just another (excellent) cog in 2018's stable

QB: Imagine telling a rube fan in 2013 that Brock would be our worst QB of the decade

Offense: 2018 should have an advantage here, possibly a significant one

DL: both the units were deep and loaded. This year might deeper, but 2013 had KE

LB: Cox and whichever of several veteran upperclassmen put around him will be very good, possibly as good as Beck Olson and Littlejohn, and hopefully deeper

DB: Williams Shepard Heagle Dudzik Smith are the GOAT. Shepard and Smith had tremendous gamechanging speed at safety that I don't think anyone on 2018 can match. (IIRC 4.43 and 4.35 40's) This year should be deeper, and roughly as good at corner, and all the FS candidate have better hands than Dudzik.

Defense: roughly a tie

Special Teams: 2013, KR, PR, K, P all better in 2013

Overall: 2018

Looking at snap counts to see who was actually getting noticeable play time in 2013 would be the most fair assessment since we can't predict the future value of 2018 underclassmen depth. That being said here are my thoughts.


OL: 2013 - Turner, Haeg, Gimmestad, Zack Johnson, Colville, Jeremy Kelly. 2013 had maybe 2 of the best OTs the Bison have had in their history with quite a few other very good players.

FB: 2013 - Grothmann and Bonnett? Easy answer

TE: 2018 - I will succumb to the kool aid. Vaadeland and Albers Were a very good duo. I think Ellefson, Jenson, Gindorff, and Babicz will all get legit snaps and will be very fun to watch.

WR: 2013 - Not even close. Vraa, Smith, and Gebhardt in a heartbeat. The only way I imagine we top that is if we have 2 out of the blue prodigies that make Darius our #3.

RB: 2018 - Crockett and Ojuri were excellent but this class has unheard of active depth as well as top end talent. Bruce and Lance match Crockett and Ojuri or close, and then toss in 2-3 more studs.

QB: 2018 - Brock is a legend but his best quality was that he was a leader, tough, and a winner. Easton is all those things as well along with a better athlete and arm. We are so spoiled.

DE: Push - Emmanuel, Jirik, Hardie, and Ambrosius = Menard, Tuszka, Butler, and Jones. The 3 deep for DE does look better for 2018 but won't count them in.

DT: 2013 - Perry, Drevlow, and Schaetz seems better then Steidl, Williams, Karcz, and Darnell.

LB: 2013 - Cox might end up a legend but 2013 already had multiple. Olson, Beck, Littlejohn, Thornton and a young Deluca. Not even close imo.

CB: Push - Marcus, CJ, Shep, Champion, and Colvin seems just as talented as Allison, Bridges, Hayes, Davis, and Wimbush. Actually leaning 2013 but Bridges and Hayes are getting the benefit of development.

S: 2013 - Once again not close. Heagle and Dudzik are a legendary duo and Liekhus was a solid backup. I do think Grimsley and Dempsey were right there with them but Dempsey is gone. Question mark at FS.

K: 2013 - Keller

P: 2013 - LeCompte

Overall I think, on paper, that 2013 is better. Their OL and DL were both marginally better which is key. Their special teams looks vastly superior. I also think their LBs and WRs were noticeably better. 2013 didn't have a weakness or question mark. 2018 does. Still a great team this year and worth discussing.

Caveat that this analysis is pretty unfair to 2018 because some of the value and talent we are attributing to 2013 is tied with how many of those players finished their careers in 2014 and 2015 as studs but were partially unknowns leading into 2013.

[Snowgoose]

Looking at snap counts to see who was actually getting noticeable play time in 2013 would be the most fair assessment since we can't predict the future value of 2018 underclassmen depth. That being said here are my thoughts.


OL: 2013 - Turner, Haeg, Gimmestad, Zack Johnson, Colville, Jeremy Kelly. 2013 had maybe 2 of the best OTs the Bison have had in their history with quite a few other very good players.

FB: 2013 - Grothmann and Bonnett? Easy answer

TE: 2018 - I will succumb to the kool aid. Vaadeland and Albers Were a very good duo. I think Ellefson, Jenson, Gindorff, and Babicz will all get legit snaps and will be very fun to watch.

WR: 2013 - Not even close. Vraa, Smith, and Gebhardt in a heartbeat. The only way I imagine we top that is if we have 2 out of the blue prodigies that make Darius our #3.

RB: 2018 - Crockett and Ojuri were excellent but this class has unheard of active depth as well as top end talent. Bruce and Lance match Crockett and Ojuri or close, and then toss in 2-3 more studs.

QB: 2018 - Brock is a legend but his best quality was that he was a leader, tough, and a winner. Easton is all those things as well along with a better athlete and arm. We are so spoiled.

DE: Push - Emmanuel, Jirik, Hardie, and Ambrosius = Menard, Tuszka, Butler, and Jones. The 3 deep for DE does look better for 2018 but won't count them in.

DT: 2013 - Perry, Drevlow, and Schaetz seems better then Steidl, Williams, Karcz, and Darnell.

LB: 2013 - Cox might end up a legend but 2013 already had multiple. Olson, Beck, Littlejohn, Thornton and a young Deluca. Not even close imo.

CB: Push - Marcus, CJ, Shep, Champion, and Colvin seems just as talented as Allison, Bridges, Hayes, Davis, and Wimbush. Actually leaning 2013 but Bridges and Hayes are getting the benefit of development.

S: 2013 - Once again not close. Heagle and Dudzik are a legendary duo and Liekhus was a solid backup. I do think Grimsley and Dempsey were right there with them but Dempsey is gone. Question mark at FS.

K: 2013 - Keller

P: 2013 - LeCompte

Overall I think, on paper, that 2013 is better. Their OL and DL were both marginally better which is key. Their special teams looks vastly superior. I also think their LBs and WRs were noticeably better. 2013 didn't have a weakness or question mark. 2018 does. Still a great team this year and worth discussing.

Caveat that this analysis is pretty unfair to 2018 because some of the value and talent we are attributing to 2013 is tied with how many of those players finished their careers in 2014 and 2015 as studs but were partially unknowns leading into 2013.

I agree with this assessment.

[roadwarrior]

Klieman also said this morning that the fall camp rules have changed. All 110 guys are in practice now. No more limit of 90 before classes begin.

[runtheoption]

I agree with this assessment.

I agree that assessments were made.

[HerdBot]

Looking at snap counts to see who was actually getting noticeable play time in 2013 would be the most fair assessment since we can't predict the future value of 2018 underclassmen depth. That being said here are my thoughts.


OL: 2013 - Turner, Haeg, Gimmestad, Zack Johnson, Colville, Jeremy Kelly. 2013 had maybe 2 of the best OTs the Bison have had in their history with quite a few other very good players.

FB: 2013 - Grothmann and Bonnett? Easy answer

TE: 2018 - I will succumb to the kool aid. Vaadeland and Albers Were a very good duo. I think Ellefson, Jenson, Gindorff, and Babicz will all get legit snaps and will be very fun to watch.

WR: 2013 - Not even close. Vraa, Smith, and Gebhardt in a heartbeat. The only way I imagine we top that is if we have 2 out of the blue prodigies that make Darius our #3.

RB: 2018 - Crockett and Ojuri were excellent but this class has unheard of active depth as well as top end talent. Bruce and Lance match Crockett and Ojuri or close, and then toss in 2-3 more studs.

QB: 2018 - Brock is a legend but his best quality was that he was a leader, tough, and a winner. Easton is all those things as well along with a better athlete and arm. We are so spoiled.

DE: Push - Emmanuel, Jirik, Hardie, and Ambrosius = Menard, Tuszka, Butler, and Jones. The 3 deep for DE does look better for 2018 but won't count them in.

DT: 2013 - Perry, Drevlow, and Schaetz seems better then Steidl, Williams, Karcz, and Darnell.

LB: 2013 - Cox might end up a legend but 2013 already had multiple. Olson, Beck, Littlejohn, Thornton and a young Deluca. Not even close imo.

CB: Push - Marcus, CJ, Shep, Champion, and Colvin seems just as talented as Allison, Bridges, Hayes, Davis, and Wimbush. Actually leaning 2013 but Bridges and Hayes are getting the benefit of development.

S: 2013 - Once again not close. Heagle and Dudzik are a legendary duo and Liekhus was a solid backup. I do think Grimsley and Dempsey were right there with them but Dempsey is gone. Question mark at FS.

K: 2013 - Keller

P: 2013 - LeCompte

Overall I think, on paper, that 2013 is better. Their OL and DL were both marginally better which is key. Their special teams looks vastly superior. I also think their LBs and WRs were noticeably better. 2013 didn't have a weakness or question mark. 2018 does. Still a great team this year and worth discussing.

Caveat that this analysis is pretty unfair to 2018 because some of the value and talent we are attributing to 2013 is tied with how many of those players finished their careers in 2014 and 2015 as studs but were partially unknowns leading into 2013.

Heagle was kind of a liability in coverage but his tackling was legendary.

Grimsley is one of the most dynamic strong safeties we've ever had. He covers like a corner, has crazy UND speed, and his tackling has evolved from meh to above average. His best football will be played this year.

[Bison20]

Heagle was kind of a liability in coverage but his tackling was legendary.

Grimsley is one of the most dynamic strong safeties we've ever had. He covers like a corner, has crazy UND speed, and his tackling has evolved from meh to above average. His best football will be played this year.

I agree with grimsley becoming a much better player and going to have a huge year. He really struggled his first year and a half and has made huge improvements since then.

[oldmantutters]

Heagle was kind of a liability in coverage but his tackling was legendary.

Grimsley is one of the most dynamic strong safeties we've ever had. He covers like a corner, has crazy UND speed, and his tackling has evolved from meh to above average. His best football will be played this year.

Marcus was a bit of a liability as well. There's no one else I'd rather have out there in bison history because he was such a game changer, but he did gamble and lose from time to time.

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