USA Today NCAA Finances Updated

[THEsocalledfan]

Bingo? Did you look at the numbers?

Best case scenario, Boise State, brings in just $1.7M more in ticket revenue than NDSU. Where are you coming up with the other $10.3M to make NDSU average? Look at what Colorado State's fancy new $220M stadium is getting them...$1.4M less revenue than NDSU.

Of course I am making some assumptions since we don't have a breakout by venue, but in any case ticket revenue (i.e. stadium) is in no way an obstacle to going FBS, rather it's the primary argument to go FBS.

Must spread rep; I misread the post and deleted my comment.

[AKBison]

Because the average expenses for Mountain West schools is $14.5M higher than what the NDSU athletic department's expenses were last year. And it's not like TV contracts or something are going to make up that difference because current Mountain West schools averaged almost $20M each in subsidies last year ($12M more than NDSU). If you think it's possible to convince the students and the school/state to more than double their contributions then the Fargodome is fine for an FBS athletic budget.

Yep, good answer. We are tapped out for growth and you need a larger stadium to host better G5 schools or they won't come. Any move up in the future will have to involve the students though. No need to go all JMU on them, but they will have to be on board.

[THEsocalledfan]

Yes, 2016-2017 was their last season and the numbers on the report are as of the academic year ending 6/30/17. Next year's numbers will be the first without women's hockey (and M&W S&D) though I'm sure there are still some smaller expenses that will be washed out over the next few years with contracts and scholarships that were honored, however they will be a drop in the bucket compared to what was being lost.

That's a big positive for you then; it will be interesting to watch the numbers after this stuff washes out. I'll never understand the extreme criticism of when UND did exactly the right thing and made tough decisions. I'll always tip my hat to UND on that; I never knew they had it in them. (letting logic rather than emotion rule)

[HerdBot]

I can't imagine this will be a viable source of increased revenue anytime in the near future.

I think we could keep it in our back pocket. Students rejected the last increase but it was kind of a weak sell as it would have just gone to the general athletic budget. Moving up to the FBS would be a different animal

[HerdBot]

Yep, good answer. We are tapped out for growth and you need a larger stadium to host better G5 schools or they won't come. Any move up in the future will have to involve the students though. No need to go all JMU on them, but they will have to be on board.

All the sunbelt schools get G5 games with similar or ballpark sized stadiums. It's the power 5 games that are going to someday not exist, unless the G5 goes to their stadium. Many of the G5 schools draw similar to us so it's not like we would have Iowa or Nebraska rolling into town

[NovaBison]

Curious about streaming revenue... I have been watching regular season games up on ESPN3 since they started offering all the games on their platform -- last season (2017) I noticed they were monetizing the crap out of NDSU football games: as in lots of commercials, including businesses local to me showing commercials during my stream. A few years ago, when Bison games were first streamed, there were no ads -- just a screen saying the broadcast was in commercial break.

Meanwhile, when I watch other FCS games up there, I typically get the " broadcast is in commercial break" screen instead of commercials. I have heard that on ESPN3, NDSU games have significantly higher viewership than the majority of games up there -- which given the level of monetization we are seeing now, is probably true.

I remember hearing or reading a few years ago, that NDSU was offering the games for free to ESPN just to get exposure. However, now that they are selling commercials during our games, and with "ESPN plus" I am paying $4.95/mo to have access to FCS games -- is NDSU receiving any revenue from ESPN?

At some point NDSU needs to get their fair share of any revenue ESPN is generating. I don't expect it to be huge, but every little bit helps, right?

[THEsocalledfan]

Curious about streaming revenue... I have been watching regular season games up on ESPN3 since they started offering all the games on their platform -- last season (2017) I noticed they were monetizing the crap out of NDSU football games: as in lots of commercials, including businesses local to me showing commercials during my stream. A few years ago, when Bison games were first streamed, there were no ads -- just a screen saying the broadcast was in commercial break.

Meanwhile, when I watch other FCS games up there, I typically get the " broadcast is in commercial break" screen instead of commercials. I have heard that on ESPN3, NDSU games have significantly higher viewership than the majority of games up there -- which given the level of monetization we are seeing now, is probably true.

I remember hearing or reading a few years ago, that NDSU was offering the games for free to ESPN just to get exposure. However, now that they are selling commercials during our games, and with "ESPN plus" I am paying $4.95/mo to have access to FCS games -- is NDSU receiving any revenue from ESPN?

At some point NDSU needs to get their fair share of any revenue ESPN is generating. I don't expect it to be huge, but every little bit helps, right?

If I am understanding how NDSU has approached this, they are largely thankful for the ESPN3 as it shut people like me up! (Credit to NDSU to addressing this issue, definitively.) I am pretty sure they still don't get any revenue on that (correct me if wrong; I bet Gabe knows.). However, keep in mind ESPN can see the number of streams and that could be why the commercials are being worked in and may lead to something better.

[Hammerhead]

Is this the same for College Gameplan on DirecTV. We had that until 2015 and the commercial breaks were always the same promos for Sportscenter.

Curious about streaming revenue... I have been watching regular season games up on ESPN3 since they started offering all the games on their platform -- last season (2017) I noticed they were monetizing the crap out of NDSU football games: as in lots of commercials, including businesses local to me showing commercials during my stream. A few years ago, when Bison games were first streamed, there were no ads -- just a screen saying the broadcast was in commercial break.

Meanwhile, when I watch other FCS games up there, I typically get the " broadcast is in commercial break" screen instead of commercials. I have heard that on ESPN3, NDSU games have significantly higher viewership than the majority of games up there -- which given the level of monetization we are seeing now, is probably true.

I remember hearing or reading a few years ago, that NDSU was offering the games for free to ESPN just to get exposure. However, now that they are selling commercials during our games, and with "ESPN plus" I am paying $4.95/mo to have access to FCS games -- is NDSU receiving any revenue from ESPN?

At some point NDSU needs to get their fair share of any revenue ESPN is generating. I don't expect it to be huge, but every little bit helps, right?

[Christopher Moen]

Comparing the MVFC teams (and future team) with the G5 conferences of MW, MAC and Sun Belt.

School	Total Revenue	Total Expenses	Total Allocated	% Allocated
Air Force	$59,577,780	$50,112,617	$33,339,247	55.96
San Diego State	$52,454,787	$51,569,852	$24,322,966	46.37
Nevada-Las Vegas	$47,327,478	$47,476,606	$21,622,440	45.69
Fresno State	$46,215,249	$44,119,522	$20,634,658	44.65
Boise State	$45,486,486	$45,456,789	$12,615,561	27.73
Colorado State	$44,672,317	$43,965,622	$23,265,238	52.08
New Mexico	$44,421,019	$44,356,217	$11,694,978	26.33
Wyoming	$40,372,222	$38,669,544	$18,452,045	45.7
Arkansas State	$39,459,027	$39,459,027	$12,624,293	31.99
Western Michigan	$38,516,531	$38,271,134	$24,349,702	63.22
Texas State	$38,445,832	$35,915,260	$27,787,153	72.28
Miami (Ohio)	$37,766,348	$36,097,843	$24,693,963	65.39
Nevada	$36,955,558	$38,982,774	$12,477,955	33.76
Buffalo	$35,892,221	$35,883,884	$25,628,422	71.4
Akron	$35,331,217	$33,895,809	$24,641,163	69.74
Appalachian State	$35,058,621	$35,065,566	$21,257,458	60.63
Central Michigan	$34,692,784	$31,792,125	$25,077,606	72.28
Utah State	$34,398,296	$34,213,406	$18,911,117	54.98
Coastal Carolina	$33,703,994	$33,704,483	$28,251,293	83.82
Toledo	$32,925,921	$32,925,921	$21,073,807	64
Eastern Michigan	$32,311,247	$32,311,246	$23,109,498	71.52
Ohio	$32,234,688	$32,621,410	$20,090,007	62.32
San Jose State	$31,252,553	$30,676,330	$21,011,051	67.23
South Alabama	$30,693,877	$27,949,252	$20,664,956	67.33
Georgia State	$30,230,203	$29,859,420	$22,423,489	74.18
Troy	$29,962,107	$29,962,107	$21,711,635	72.46
Georgia Southern	$28,895,052	$28,761,605	$16,747,677	57.96
Kent State	$28,837,710	$29,504,048	$18,657,839	64.7
Louisiana-Lafayette	$28,326,919	$27,408,419	$12,800,374	45.19
North Dakota	$28,201,349	$26,727,343	$13,107,939	46.48
Illinois State	$27,852,407	$25,144,172	$19,096,462	68.56
North Dakota State	$27,267,507	$28,124,505	$7,880,233	28.9
Missouri State	$26,374,654	$26,374,654	$16,521,641	62.64
Ball State	$26,098,565	$27,410,745	$19,402,097	74.34
Northern Illinois	$25,795,597	$25,661,395	$16,816,199	65.19
Bowling Green	$25,303,291	$23,753,571	$15,882,246	62.77
Southern Illinois	$22,722,740	$26,785,157	$14,346,273	63.14
South Dakota State	$22,075,310	$20,880,295	$8,012,013	36.29
Northern Iowa	$19,497,119	$18,375,024	$9,284,499	47.62
South Dakota	$19,256,962	$18,904,718	$11,958,142	62.1
Louisiana-Monroe	$16,132,421	$15,481,778	$7,213,515	44.71
Indiana State	$16,098,113	$15,262,080	$12,703,992	78.92
Youngstown State	$15,410,657	$15,410,657	$10,401,241	67.49
Texas-Arlington	$14,054,524	$14,145,916	$10,583,191	75.3
Arkansas-Little Rock	$13,004,365	$11,893,708	$8,418,178	64.73
Western Illinois	$11,944,035	$13,027,183	$8,925,255	74.73

NDSU is at the near bottom of Total Allocated and % Allocated. If the Bison were subsidized like the other schools and had an extra $13 Million, their Total Revenue would be top ten in this list. As Keith Brake pointed out yesterday, NDSU is doing it the right way by relying on funding coming from alumni and fans instead of mainly the State and students.

[NovaBison]

Is this the same for College Gameplan on DirecTV. We had that until 2015 and the commercial breaks were always the same promos for Sportscenter.

Back in 2015.... I always got the same commercialforCapital One with Alec Baldwin... now I get several different advertisers including a car dealership here in Northern Virginia... I hope at some point, NDSU gets a a little cut of that action.

If nothing else.. this is a potential future revenue stream.