2018 Season Tickets

[56BISON73]

I do not doubt that at all. Which is why I have been very careful to say if ppts are an incentive. What's clear is ppts are incentive.

The incentive is season tickets. PPS is the path to get them. No different than any other university. Fact is if we had 35000 seats this conversation wouldnt be taking place. PPS also answers the questions fans have had for years. Who are the big donors. Heres a list. Where do a stand in relation to the other donors. Heres a list and YOUR number. Its a pretty damn good system.
But we are just rehashing the same crap from last year. Im sure you will pull this horse out again next year and give it a few more whacks.

[CAS4127]

This is just by and large a fucking dumb conversation/dialogue.

Peace out.


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[BisonNation11]

I can't believe this is a big deal to some people. I'm not a former athlete and I have no problem with the 100 points. The percentage of former athletes that take advantage of them is fairly small, I'm guessing. Also, 100 points don't go very far anyway. Writing checks will do more for people than bitching.

Exactly. And frankly, I'd want as many former athletes donating back to Team Makers as possible. They know the sacrifices it takes to be a student athlete (spare me the "every student sacrifices" bs, we know every college student does in some way), they know what it would take to make the athletic department better for the athlete and I'm certain they'd be first to help TM when they come calling for whatever they need. Also, I would welcome any brotherhood or sisterhood to TM because it brings people together for a common goal. This is what makes the Friday practice in Frisco so awesome. There's a bond there that every fan would love to be a part of but only the few can actually say they are. They can bring that energy, passion and commitment to TM. Give them 1000 points for all I care. I'm going to support NDSU and the athletic department because I want to, not because of some perk points. Like PL stated, it's a way to organize and prioritize those who've donated. You want to be higher, cut the checks. If you can't afford the arms race, donate what you can because you care. If you want to be in a special group for the arts students, join or create it. Team Makers is an inclusive club, welcoming to all who are willing to help for the good of the athletes. That's it. It's that simple. You can try and turn it into some socialist club where everyone deserves to be at the same level, but that's not how it works nor should it. Team Makers will continue to grow because people care and want to be a part of something special. I knew how the system was laid out before I started donating. Everyone else has the same opportunity to know as well. This argument is stupid and in the grand scheme of life, truly affects no one enough to change their life. Move on. Although after all this BS, I've been inspired to train for the next two years, go back to school at that point, become a letter winner long snapper, collect your praise while I entertain you and then piss you off when I collect my 100 points. God Bless America.

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[td577]

You obviously don't understand how athletics work at the collegiate level. There's a brotherhood/sisterhood among Bison athletes. Most of us all trained in or around the BSA at the same time, spent time together in the training room and all had to attend nightly study hall twice a week as Freshmen. When we run the World's largest wrestling tournament in the FargoDome, who besides NDSU wrestlers work the event? That's right, other NDSU athletes, including those on the football and basketball team. I don't remember Drama Club members being there unless some athletes themselves were in the Drama Club. Remember the flood of 1997? Guess what every NDSU athlete, coach and administrator were doing together during that time - filling sandbags, delivering sandbags and, eventually, removing the sandbags. Sorry, but not sorry, you don't belong to certain group unless you put your time in and wore the uniform, and yes, the relationship between athletes is closer than you think. So you can take that Drama Club to wrestler analogy and "pound sand."

The logical reason, and again, check with the Team Makers for their actual reason for the 100 points for former athletes who donate, is maybe to get a return on investment. I know for a fact that I've given NDSU, and Team Makers, way more than I received. The 100 points does very little for me as I don't get a benefit for having them. I live too far away. Therefore, where do you and MAKBison keep coming up with the idea that I'm claiming entitlement?

Those points were given to me and will be given to any other former letterman winner who joins the club. You and MAKBison can be bitter about it, but those 100 points don't mean anything unless those athletes continue to give a lot every year. 100 points does not get any former letterman winner automatic season tickets or tickets to Frisco. You still need a lot more points than that. Those benefits go to those who deserve them the most, the big-time donors.

I'm not bitter, just pointing out some facts. I just thought it was interesting you feel entitled to it. Obviously, former athletes are a small part of teammakers. It needs you less than the general populus. You made it clear you don't feel obligated to give, so the group really is wasting a benefit.

The things you mentioned doing are things other students did, as well. You filled sandbags? That's great. So did a lot of NDSU students. Where are their points? Oh, that's right, you get them because you did it along side a football player. Yes, you sound entitled.

Let's go full circle now. That was then, this is now. You now have brothers and sisters in another club. You are no longer an athlete. You are a teammaker member. Just like them. Just like a majority of the Fargodome on fall Saturdays and shac attendees in the winter. The same club. Everyone is a former something and a present club member. But, membership doesn't even start out on equal footing.

I wholeheartedly agree there is not a system out there that would be more fair than the priority points when it comes to ranking when ranking is necessary. Given that the system should be fair, isn't it unfair to stack the deck for some before it even begins? If teammakers isn't about the points, then let's not make it about the points and have a completely fair and equitable start for everyone. Every single member starts at the very exact same starting point. What would be more fair than that?

Even if you want to discount every NDSU student who wasn't an athlete, they were and some still are paying for NDSU athletics without the benefit of any points. Tell me that is any bit fair.

I totally get the world isn't fair. I live with that every day of my life. What we don't do is intentionally create an imbalance when it is unnecessary. It can be 5 points, it still would be an unnecessary benefit when a majority of those already in the club had been paying all along. I also believe the 100 points interferes with one donating the last $5k not the first $5k. But that's a totally different issue.

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[Christopher Moen]

I'm not bitter, just pointing out some facts. I just thought it was interesting you feel entitled to it. Obviously, former athletes are a small part of teammakers. It needs you less than the general populus. You made it clear you don't feel obligated to give, so the group really is wasting a benefit.

The things you mentioned doing are things other students did, as well. You filled sandbags? That's great. So did a lot of NDSU students. Where are their points? Oh, that's right, you get them because you did it along side a football player. Yes, you sound entitled.

Let's go full circle now. That was then, this is now. You now have brothers and sisters in another club. You are no longer an athlete. You are a teammaker member. Just like them. Just like a majority of the Fargodome on fall Saturdays and shac attendees in the winter. The same club. Everyone is a former something and a present club member. But, membership doesn't even start out on equal footing.

I wholeheartedly agree there is not a system out there that would be more fair than the priority points when it comes to ranking when ranking is necessary. Given that the system should be fair, isn't it unfair to stack the deck for some before it even begins? If teammakers isn't about the points, then let's not make it about the points and have a completely fair and equitable start for everyone. Every single member starts at the very exact same starting point. What would be more fair than that?

Even if you want to discount every NDSU student who wasn't an athlete, they were and some still are paying for NDSU athletics without the benefit of any points. Tell me that is any bit fair.

I totally get the world isn't fair. I live with that every day of my life. What we don't do is intentionally create an imbalance when it is unnecessary. It can be 5 points, it still would be an unnecessary benefit when a majority of those already in the club had been paying all along. I also believe the 100 points interferes with one donating the last $5k not the first $5k. But that's a totally different issue.

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If you were a former athlete, you wouldn't see the system as not being fair nor would you equate non-football athletes as being equivalent to Drama Club members or intramural participants. That's extremely insulting.

Again, drop the entitlement claims as it is not the same as being given something as token of appreciation and perhaps at the same time, hoping draw funds from former investments. As I previously stated, I gave before 100 points was "a thing." Claiming I'm feel entitled to something I don't use, is also extremely insulting.

[CAS4127]

I'm not bitter, just pointing out some facts. I just thought it was interesting you feel entitled to it. Obviously, former athletes are a small part of teammakers. It needs you less than the general populus. You made it clear you don't feel obligated to give, so the group really is wasting a benefit.

The things you mentioned doing are things other students did, as well. You filled sandbags? That's great. So did a lot of NDSU students. Where are their points? Oh, that's right, you get them because you did it along side a football player. Yes, you sound entitled.

Let's go full circle now. That was then, this is now. You now have brothers and sisters in another club. You are no longer an athlete. You are a teammaker member. Just like them. Just like a majority of the Fargodome on fall Saturdays and shac attendees in the winter. The same club. Everyone is a former something and a present club member. But, membership doesn't even start out on equal footing.

I wholeheartedly agree there is not a system out there that would be more fair than the priority points when it comes to ranking when ranking is necessary. Given that the system should be fair, isn't it unfair to stack the deck for some before it even begins? If teammakers isn't about the points, then let's not make it about the points and have a completely fair and equitable start for everyone. Every single member starts at the very exact same starting point. What would be more fair than that?

Even if you want to discount every NDSU student who wasn't an athlete, they were and some still are paying for NDSU athletics without the benefit of any points. Tell me that is any bit fair.

I totally get the world isn't fair. I live with that every day of my life. What we don't do is intentionally create an imbalance when it is unnecessary. It can be 5 points, it still would be an unnecessary benefit when a majority of those already in the club had been paying all along. I also believe the 100 points interferes with one donating the last $5k not the first $5k. But that's a totally different issue.

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The only thing defending your post is it’s length—didn’t read it.


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[bisonaudit]

These athletes are 22 years old when they are rewarded these priority points for their efforts. By definition, they aren’t members of an old boys club. The argument that this policy is somehow promoting exclusivity or is some kind of self dealing by insiders seems silly to me.

[scottietohottie]

These athletes are 22 years old when they are rewarded these priority points for their efforts. By definition, they aren’t members of an old boys club. The argument that this policy is somehow promoting exclusivity or is some kind of self dealing by insiders seems silly to me.

They have to join TM before they get the points so I would guess most aren't actually 22 when they start but older.

I can't believe people got paid for working events. It was called community service when I did it.

[TAILG8R]

The thread is full of gatekeeping. Gross

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[MAKBison]

A lot of you are missing the point... It's not about honoring or disrespecting formal athletes. It's about creating a better system to increase donations.

I'll repeat it.... a $6,000 disparity minimizes opportunity. Team makers should be trying to maximize opportunity. They could do that if they shrink that disparity they created. It's business 101, and team makers need to be run like a business. You make decisions based on the bottom line.

The theoretical example:
Let's say Cass, and I are team maker members viaing to position ourselves for the opportunities that priority points present. Let's also assume that NDSU opens up a section of seating and Cass and I both want to upgrade our seats. Thus there's a competition. Which by the way, is an excellent opportunity for team makers to maximize the number of donations.

Well not so fast, competition only works if everybody playing the game thinks they have a chance to win.

if Cass has a hundred point lead on me just to become even with Cass I have to donate $6,000. Understanding that's to become even. I have actualy gotta donate more if I have a chance to win.

So I get the old calculator out and I figure out that I have to donate at least $6,000 to get even with case. But wait, I also understand that Cass wants those same seats so he's probably going to donate which means I've got to donate $6,000 plus to compete. Common Sense kicks in and says you're probably not going to win those seats so don't donate that money save it and do something else with it. therefore there's no need for me to try and or increase my donations. why....because I have no chance of getting the seats.

Furthermore, Cass is a smart person he understands this, so he has no incentive to increase his donations because his chances are relatively safe.


So if you are an honest person with any thinking ability, you can see what I'm trying to say here... It's about creating a competitive environment that will maximize the probability people will increase their donations.