2017 Sagarin Says

[unbison]

You forget what happened last year, dummy?

Are you not smart enough to get out of your own way..... how many starters have we lost this year

[Christopher Moen]

If you are an AD at any school in the country with a football team, why would you schedule the Bison?

That's the issue why NDSU is having a tough time filling out the schedule. FCS teams don't want the physical beat-down unless money is involved and FBS teams don't want to pay a FCS team they have a good chance losing to at home.


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[THEsocalledfan]

Back on topic; Top 25 per Sagarin:

48 North Dakota State AA = 75.27 2 0 32.02( 242) 0 0 | 0 0 | 74.74 49 | 75.09 50 | 75.44 49
68 James Madison AA = 68.69 3 0 36.40( 233) 0 0 | 0 0 | 69.90 68 | 67.17 78 | 69.06 66
77 South Dakota State AA = 66.50 3 0 38.55( 226) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.25 81 | 66.46 79 | 66.87 75
82 Youngstown State AA = 65.18 2 1 40.27( 221) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.66 73 | 65.21 81 | 64.47 86
90 South Dakota AA = 63.49 3 0 48.35( 187) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.57 74 | 59.89 107 | 64.52 85
93 Illinois State AA = 62.93 2 0 32.32( 241) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.00 89 | 61.86 96 | 63.03 91
97 Wofford AA = 61.47 2 0 47.07( 195) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.61 116 | 61.81 97 | 62.24 95
101 Jacksonville State AA = 61.02 1 1 65.26( 66) 0 0 | 0 1 | 60.39 102 | 60.83 100 | 61.23 101
103 Sam Houston State AA = 60.87 2 0 43.70( 207) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.72 114 | 60.16 103 | 62.02 96
104 Western Illinois AA = 60.15 2 0 47.46( 192) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.82 98 | 58.12 114 | 61.02 102
109 Northern Iowa AA = 59.07 1 2 57.12( 129) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.68 115 | 60.88 99 | 57.97 114
110 The Citadel AA = 59.06 3 0 36.62( 232) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.84 112 | 58.67 111 | 59.25 106
114 Villanova AA = 58.33 2 1 44.86( 203) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.70 106 | 57.92 115 | 57.91 115
116 Central Arkansas AA = 57.63 2 1 47.39( 193) 0 0 | 0 1 | 58.79 113 | 56.45 128 | 57.78 116
118 Richmond AA = 56.83 2 1 45.81( 200) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.81 122 | 57.28 118 | 56.41 120
121 Eastern Washington AA = 56.66 1 2 67.13( 53) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.92 133 | 57.03 122 | 56.94 117
126 North Dakota AA = 56.12 1 2 64.45( 71) 0 0 | 0 1 | 56.86 121 | 57.13 120 | 55.06 128
130 Samford AA = 55.92 2 1 67.36( 51) 0 0 | 0 1 | 55.38 130 | 55.56 131 | 56.20 122
136 Southern Illinois AA = 53.74 2 0 21.15( 251) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.90 139 | 53.18 138 | 53.87 136
139 Southern Utah AA = 53.29 2 1 58.04( 120) 0 0 | 0 1 | 52.53 141 | 51.47 144 | 54.56 132
143 New Hampshire AA = 51.55 2 1 51.20( 171) 0 0 | 0 0 | 50.96 147 | 52.19 143 | 51.23 145
144 Princeton AA = 51.09 1 0 36.73( 231) 0 0 | 0 0 | 48.43 166 | 51.21 146 | 51.86 143
145 Stony Brook AA = 51.00 2 1 43.98( 205) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.56 140 | 49.02 157 | 51.09 146
146 Mercer AA = 50.96 1 2 58.55( 115) 0 0 | 0 1 | 54.43 135 | 50.19 151 | 49.94 154
147 Weber State AA = 50.88 2 1 58.71( 114) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.47 144 | 50.19 152 | 50.93 147


South Dakota with a very deserved huge jump. Curious to folks who follow this closer, how many more weeks until the data is typically well connected? Still 8 MVFC teams!

And can we say the national landscape is currently tipped toward the Valley? I got a kick out of Dom's report of catching the MAC; was surprised it took him this long to realize it. (I do realize MAC has very good top level teams.) I think we are starting to fully see what adding the Dakota schools to FCS has done; you have tipped the scales a bit away from G5 toward top level FCS football as these teams are getting athletes that would typically play G5 in other parts of the country. Just my two cents.

[bisonaudit]

He used to say back in the day when the data was well connected but that stopped a few years back. I think it was typically 5 or 6 weeks.

[tony]

And can we say the national landscape is currently tipped toward the Valley? I got a kick out of Dom's report of catching the MAC; was surprised it took him this long to realize it. (I do realize MAC has very good top level teams.) I think we are starting to fully see what adding the Dakota schools to FCS has done; you have tipped the scales a bit away from G5 toward top level FCS football as these teams are getting athletes that would typically play G5 in other parts of the country. Just my two cents.

More like expanding the gap rather than closing it

Rhode Island beat one of their teams... Rhode Island.

[Gully]

More like expanding the gap rather than closing it

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Why do you bring Joel H. Into this conversation?

[SoCalBison]

Sunday game caused Sagarin to be late today...but Bison ride the Robert Morris win to go up 3 places in Sagarin to #45. Missouri State is at #202, and Bison are 40-point favorites for next week. Go Bison!

[THEsocalledfan]

45 North Dakota State AA = 76.11 3 0 29.18( 247) 0 0 | 0 0 | 76.14 43 | 75.79 46 | 76.00 45
67 James Madison AA = 69.98 4 0 41.80( 214) 0 0 | 0 0 | 70.28 66 | 68.13 73 | 70.03 64
76 South Dakota State AA = 66.66 3 0 38.59( 229) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.33 77 | 67.29 75 | 67.70 73
80 Youngstown State AA = 65.52 2 1 38.67( 227) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.94 80 | 64.54 86 | 63.68 91
84 Western Illinois AA = 65.15 3 0 49.00( 177) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.83 83 | 61.54 101 | 65.05 82
85 South Dakota AA = 64.92 3 0 45.99( 197) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.06 78 | 60.01 106 | 63.72 90
90 Illinois State AA = 64.00 3 0 36.28( 235) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.22 90 | 62.58 95 | 64.03 87
91 Sam Houston State AA = 63.75 3 0 44.63( 205) 0 0 | 0 0 | 63.79 91 | 62.67 94 | 64.54 85
99 Jacksonville State AA = 61.90 2 1 56.25( 133) 0 0 | 0 1 | 61.72 98 | 61.82 98 | 62.76 97
108 The Citadel AA = 59.47 3 0 38.17( 232) 0 0 | 0 0 | 59.40 108 | 59.24 113 | 59.82 107
115 Central Arkansas AA = 57.85 2 1 46.41( 195) 0 0 | 0 1 | 58.17 113 | 56.31 120 | 57.35 117
116 Northern Iowa AA = 57.65 1 2 53.69( 156) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.39 118 | 59.56 109 | 56.68 120
117 Weber State AA = 57.30 3 1 54.51( 147) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.83 114 | 54.16 137 | 57.41 116
118 Tennessee-Martin AA = 57.15 3 1 57.63( 122) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.03 120 | 55.77 125 | 59.23 110
122 Wofford AA = 56.73 3 0 44.92( 203) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.40 128 | 60.20 105 | 60.80 104
126 Eastern Washington AA = 56.07 2 2 61.43( 85) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.41 127 | 57.39 117 | 58.39 113
127 Villanova AA = 56.05 2 2 46.83( 193) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.60 124 | 55.48 129 | 52.86 136
129 Southern Illinois AA = 55.35 2 1 38.72( 226) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.67 126 | 54.09 138 | 54.47 129
131 Montana State AA = 54.55 1 2 66.69( 57) 0 0 | 0 1 | 54.83 131 | 51.84 146 | 55.74 124
135 Richmond AA = 54.32 2 2 43.14( 208) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.39 134 | 55.20 133 | 52.50 139
136 Samford AA = 54.14 2 2 55.55( 140) 0 1 | 0 1 | 54.23 135 | 54.29 136 | 53.00 135
139 Chattanooga AA = 53.27 1 3 58.52( 115) 0 0 | 0 1 | 53.81 139 | 53.07 142 | 49.64 153
142 Northern Arizona AA = 52.62 1 2 61.82( 83) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.50 143 | 53.04 143 | 52.51 138
143 Stony Brook AA = 52.32 3 1 41.30( 216) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.72 141 | 49.71 155 | 52.52 137
144 North Dakota AA = 51.92 1 3 59.58( 107) 0 0 | 0 1 | 52.14 145 | 53.57 140 | 48.01 164

Still 8 MVFC teams in top 25. Surprised UNI is still that high; are they overvalued? Not to mention with how tough SIU played Memphis, makes me think that are ranked too low. You know your conference is good when you have 6 of the top 10 teams, and 4 of the top 5. How the garbage team to the north is in the top 25 is a mystery to me. Clearly overvalued.

[thebootfitter]

I've noticed that Hammersmith and Bisonaudit haven't been posting their usual analyses in this thread as in past years. Will you guys start once the schedule gets a little more exciting?

I don't think I'll have the consistent time to commit to pulling Sagarin figures and analyzing each week, but if anyone else is interested in taking this on, I do have a couple spreadsheets that make Hammersmith's usual analysis fairly easy to do. Feel free to PM me, and I can dust off the spreadsheet and send to you.

Go Bison!

[bisonaudit]

Sorry guys. I’ve been in the middle of moving so life is a bit upside down at the moment. Hopefully, I’ll be able to get back to being a regular contributor to this thread soon.