Does this surprise anyone? UND investigated for Title IX Compliance violations

[abc123]

This is awesome! They might be forced to cut football!!!! Woo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Purple??????)

That would be one of the fastest way to watch a ton of other women's sports/funding get cut.

[Christopher Moen]

That would be one of the fastest way to watch a ton of other women's sports/funding get cut.

I would doubt it. The Office of Civil Rights in the Department of Education doesn't care if men are athletically underrepresented in regards to Title IX since they aren't considered being discriminated against to begin with. If they were, then there would been lawsuits all over the country.

[abc123]

I would doubt it. The Office of Civil Rights in the Department of Education doesn't care if men are athletically underrepresented in regards to Title IX since they aren't considered being discriminated against to begin with. If they were, then there would been lawsuits all over the country.

Yeah, that is completely wrong. Just because it seems how it is normally applied, doesn't make it unequivocally so. A simple google search will turn up multiple results of men filing Title IX complaints and even though it is at a smaller percentage than women, it is still applied the same way. Title IX was designed to protect the underrepresented sex, whether it be men or women. The NCAA's website directly addresses this as well.

Q. Does Title IX benefit only girls and women?

Title IX benefits everyone -- girls and boys, women and men. The law requires educational institutions to maintain policies, practices and programs that do not discriminate against anyone on the basis of gender. Elimination of discrimination against women and girls has received more attention because females historically have faced greater gender restrictions and barriers in education. However, Title IX also has benefited men and boys. A continued effort to achieve educational equity has benefited all students by moving toward creation of school environments where all students may learn and achieve the highest standards.

And I didn't say that UND dropping football would lead to a complaint (though it would definitely be a possibility), I stated that it would lead to women's sports and/or funding being cut, which would be done to prevent such a complaint. UND would be incredibly out of balance towards women if football was cut.

[Christopher Moen]

Yeah, that is completely wrong. Just because it seems how it is normally applied, doesn't make it unequivocally so. A simple google search will turn up multiple results of men filing Title IX complaints and even though it is at a smaller percentage than women, it is still applied the same way. Title IX was designed to protect the underrepresented sex, whether it be men or women. The NCAA's website directly addresses this as well.



And I didn't say that UND dropping football would lead to a complaint (though it would definitely be a possibility), I stated that it would lead to women's sports and/or funding being cut, which would be done to prevent such a complaint. UND would be incredibly out of balance towards women if football was cut.

Good luck getting the Office of Civil Rights to listen to a file complaint if UND offered more women opportunities than men. Again, men are not considered the ones being discriminated against, plus, since UND has more men, they are not the underrepresented sex. If UND drops football, no women's sports will have to be dropped too.

In regards to men filing Title IX complaints, those are usually in regards to how rape/sex assault cases are handled. Men are not "winning," let alone file, cases against schools if they are athletically underrepresented because in order to do so, the school they attend has to have more women to begin with.

[abc123]

Good luck getting the Office of Civil Rights to listen to a file complaint if UND offered more women opportunities than men. Again, men are not considered the ones being discriminated against, plus, since UND has more men, they are not the underrepresented sex. If UND drops football, no women's sports will have to be dropped too.

In regards to men filing Title IX complaints, those are usually in regards to how rape/sex assault cases are handled. Men are not "winning," let alone file, cases against schools if they are athletically underrepresented because in order to do so, the school they attend has to have more women to begin with.

You're assumptions on different applications of Title IX are short in a few areas. For one, it seems obvious you're not fully understanding what "underrepresented" means as you keep saying the majority can't be underrepresented, which is absolutely incorrect. Just because one gender has more people on campus does not preclude them from being underrepresented in terms of opportunities, benefits or equity in the eyes of Title IX. For one, it requires scholarship money to be (closely) proportionately similar to the make-up of the student body. If UND cut football, they would be around 32/68 for scholarships and 54/46 for students, which on its own, would be completely underrepresenting men's athletic opportunities. You can say what you want, but the OCR would absolutely take a look at a complaint in regards to that.

[Christopher Moen]

You're assumptions on different applications of Title IX are short in a few areas. For one, it seems obvious you're not fully understanding what "underrepresented" means as you keep saying the majority can't be underrepresented, which is absolutely incorrect. Just because one gender has more people on campus does not preclude them from being underrepresented in terms of opportunities, benefits or equity in the eyes of Title IX. For one, it requires scholarship money to be (closely) proportionately similar to the make-up of the student body. If UND cut football, they would be around 32/68 for scholarships and 54/46 for students, which on its own, would be completely underrepresenting men's athletic opportunities. You can say what you want, but the OCR would absolutely take a look at a complaint in regards to that.

No, no they won't. Trust me, they only care about the treatment of the underrepresented sex = minor sex = women. If men were by chance the "underrepresented sex," they would still be ignored due to the belief that men are "born privileged."

I work in a sport (wrestling) were this is an issue every day. Want to know how many times they, or the Department of Justice, has told men in our sport to go pound sand anytime there was a legit case? This is what will happen to anyone who files a complaint on behalf of men athletes at UND if they drop football. Dropping football at UND will not cause any women's sports to be dropped. That just naïve logic your part. But hey, you're from UND, so what else would we expect here from you?

[abc123]

No, no they won't. Trust me, they only care about the treatment of the underrepresented sex = minor sex = women. If men were by chance the "underrepresented sex," they would still be ignored due to the belief that men are "born privileged."

I work in a sport (wrestling) were this is an issue every day. Want to know how many times they, or the Department of Justice, has told men in our sport to go pound sand anytime there was a legit case? This is what will happen to anyone who files a complaint on behalf of men athletes at UND if they drop football. Dropping football at UND will not cause any women's sports to be dropped. That just misinformed logic your part.

The underrepresented sex does not unequivocally equal the minority sex, whether male or female. There are cases out there that prove this to be true.

Regardless, I can assure you that there is currently a 0% chance we'll find out about your hypothetical situation and your claims of misinformed logic and the OCR investigation will do nothing to change that.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Good luck getting the Office of Civil Rights to listen to a file complaint if UND offered more women opportunities than men. Again, men are not considered the ones being discriminated against, plus, since UND has more men, they are not the underrepresented sex. If UND drops football, no women's sports will have to be dropped too.

In regards to men filing Title IX complaints, those are usually in regards to how rape/sex assault cases are handled. Men are not "winning," let alone file, cases against schools if they are athletically underrepresented because in order to do so, the school they attend has to have more women to begin with.

Title 9 is federal yeah? With the current President, i have to think they'd love a chance to kick feminism in the cooter.

[Christopher Moen]

The underrepresented sex does not unequivocally equal the minority sex, whether male or female. There are cases out there that prove this to be true.

Regardless, I can assure you that there is currently a 0% chance we'll find out about your hypothetical situation and your claims of misinformed logic and the OCR investigation will do nothing to change that.

My hypothetical situation and claims? You're the one who made this statement in regards to UND dropping football, "That would be one of the fastest way to watch a ton of other women's sports/funding get cut."

If your statement had any merit, then women's sports would have also been cut at other universities that dropped football. But they didn't. Why? Because men weren't the underrepresented/minor sex.

You're fun to deal with when you have no clue (just like your fellow UND fans) what you're talking about. Maybe that's why you guys can't understand how NDSU runs its athletic department without Title IX advocates protesting at their doors. One university in North Dakota did its homework while the other spent the last few decades digging itself a hole with numerous issues.

[Christopher Moen]

Title 9 is federal yeah? With the current President, i have to think they'd love a chance to kick feminism in the cooter.

It's enforced by the Office of Civil Rights branch within the Department of Education. Which means "small potatoes" to him.