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    Who cares. We cash in on championships and they can keep the change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wagsabison View Post
    UND hides it in a closet somewhere... don't they? What's the point of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevdock View Post
    As far as a travelling trophy I don't understand why people are so against it. What's wrong with keeping an extra trophy in Fargo for many years in a row.
    The trophy involves the F'Hawkers.



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    Can someone give an answer as to why they won't be playing for it again? The NCAA said they couldn't use "Fighting Sioux" as their mascot and logo. I've heard people say, "they can't play for the Nickel anymore because it has a Sioux head on it."

    For one, the Nickel Trophy has nothing to do with NCAA and mandates. Secondly, the Nickel Trophy is a replica Buffalo Nickel-a former form of US currency-which has a "buffalo" (not bison mind you) and an "American Indian" on it.

    To say the trophy has to be retired, or cannot be played for again because UND is the Fighting Hawks now, has no merit. Look at other rivalry trophies across the country. "Floyd of Rosedale" aka The Pig for Iowa-Minnesota. Neither team is nicknamed the Pigs or Hogs, but the trophy symbolizes agriculture and livestock that is raised in both states. Are we supposed to ignore that the Buffalo Nickel ever existed or that North Dakota had bison/buffalo roaming all over and that American Indians were the first to settle on our prairies?

    People will say, "NDSU already has a rivalry trophy with SDSU". Absolutely, and you can bet that rock means a lot more to the current players than a nickel does. But why does it have to be limited to just one? Minnesota plays for the Little Brown Jug, Paul Bunyan's Axe, and the Floyd of Rosedale. Again, numerous schools have more than one traveling trophy with a rival.

    My point is, I have yet to hear anyone make the case to UND or NDSU that the trophy should be continued to be played for. It's always, "well they can't because of the nickname".

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    Can someone answer why they should?
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    111 years of North Dakota history and tradition of two strong universities I suppose is one reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by heymch86 View Post
    111 years of North Dakota history and tradition of two strong universities I suppose is one reason
    which is why it should go into a museum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymch86 View Post
    111 years of North Dakota history and tradition of two strong universities I suppose is one reason
    I for one agree with you. There are a lot of "trophy" games throughout the NCAA...and most of them don't have the history of the nickel...for example the Dakota Marker...which in its own right is fine too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heymch86 View Post
    Can someone give an answer as to why they won't be playing for it again? The NCAA said they couldn't use "Fighting Sioux" as their mascot and logo. I've heard people say, "they can't play for the Nickel anymore because it has a Sioux head on it."

    For one, the Nickel Trophy has nothing to do with NCAA and mandates. Secondly, the Nickel Trophy is a replica Buffalo Nickel-a former form of US currency-which has a "buffalo" (not bison mind you) and an "American Indian" on it.

    To say the trophy has to be retired, or cannot be played for again because UND is the Fighting Hawks now, has no merit. Look at other rivalry trophies across the country. "Floyd of Rosedale" aka The Pig for Iowa-Minnesota. Neither team is nicknamed the Pigs or Hogs, but the trophy symbolizes agriculture and livestock that is raised in both states. Are we supposed to ignore that the Buffalo Nickel ever existed or that North Dakota had bison/buffalo roaming all over and that American Indians were the first to settle on our prairies?

    People will say, "NDSU already has a rivalry trophy with SDSU". Absolutely, and you can bet that rock means a lot more to the current players than a nickel does. But why does it have to be limited to just one? Minnesota plays for the Little Brown Jug, Paul Bunyan's Axe, and the Floyd of Rosedale. Again, numerous schools have more than one traveling trophy with a rival.

    My point is, I have yet to hear anyone make the case to UND or NDSU that the trophy should be continued to be played for. It's always, "well they can't because of the nickname".
    maybe the NCAA can go on a witch hunt to ban former US currency. It's funny I was flipping through the TV and I saw a commercial where they were selling the same coin
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymch86 View Post
    111 years of North Dakota history and tradition of two strong universities I suppose is one reason
    none of which has gone away in the years since they stopped playing for the trophy. Let's not mistake a symbol for the thing.

    I just feel like your staring with the wrong default position. They've already not played for it. That is now the presumption that must be overcome.
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