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    Quote Originally Posted by Bison Dan View Post
    you do realize that African tribes provided the slaves for the slave ships and that slavery still exist in Africa today.
    Should have brod him bro. Eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bison Dan View Post
    you do realize that African tribes provided the slaves for the slave ships and that slavery still exist in Africa today.
    Im not sure why it matters which humans were selling which other humans into bondage. Is that supposed to excuse everyone’s behavior somehow?

    Today, slavery is illegal everywhere. Of course it still exists in some form but that is categorically different than being legally sanctioned.
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    Default Re: More legislative shenanigans by Al Carlson

    Found this in a VA newspaper: (Forgot how to make it larger)

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    Staunton Spectator, Volume 40, Number 6, 7 July 1863
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFH Schlüssel View Post
    Found this in a VA newspaper: (Forgot how to make it larger)

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    Staunton Spectator, Volume 40, Number 6, 7 July 1863
    Yeah, that's a point in Lincoln's favor, imo. Shelby Foote (from the Ken Burn Civil War documentary) and other Confederate apologists always whine about how the Civil War could have been avoided if Lincoln had just compromised more. Well, there is he, in black and white, saying that he wouldn't end slavery in the states where it existed in order to preserve the Union. What more did those traitorous slavery-loving shitheads want as a compromise? The South turned traitor because their aristocracy didn't think that they were going to be allowed to tell new states that they had to make slavery legal in order to join the USA - and that would, in turn, imperil their most beloved institution. That's not a compromise. It's also a mockery of any notion that the slave states gave a damn about states' rights.

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    I don't know where people get the idea that our government was supposed to be perfectly proportionately representative....or that we're a "democracy" at all.

    If that's what was wanted, you could just have everyone vote on everything (today) or have near perfectly proportioned representation. The thing is, they very clearly set it up to NOT be like that.

    The way it is isn't perfect, it's just the best way yet devised.
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    Here is another thought. Slaves were brought to America by Europeans and Africans. Slavery in America was ended by Americans.

    That's not to minimize the tragedy that it was but it gets a little old hearing how bad our country is because of decisions made by people who are long since passed on. It's time to move on and celebrate what we have in common, rather than driving division by focusing on things that happened a long time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gully View Post
    Here is another thought. Slaves were brought to America by Europeans and Africans. Slavery in America was ended by Americans.

    That's not to minimize the tragedy that it was but it gets a little old hearing how bad our country is because of decisions made by people who are long since passed on. It's time to move on and celebrate what we have in common, rather than driving division by focusing on things that happened a long time ago.
    The American constitution quantified how to count some people as less than others. That we've moved past this horrible chapter in history should be celebrated but also remembered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gully View Post
    Here is another thought. Slaves were brought to America by Europeans and Africans. Slavery in America was ended by Americans.

    That's not to minimize the tragedy that it was but it gets a little old hearing how bad our country is because of decisions made by people who are long since passed on. It's time to move on and celebrate what we have in common, rather than driving division by focusing on things that happened a long time ago.
    Not by all Americans - certainly not by the ones waving Confederate flags, past or present. Man, you can't ask people to forgive and forget when there are people waving the Confederate flag and acting like Confederate generals deserve statues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EC8CH View Post
    The American constitution quantified how to count some people as less than others. That we've moved past this horrible chapter in history should be celebrated but also remembered.
    Its worse than that. The constitution gave those extra fractional votes to the white men who held those people as property.
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    We all live in stories... It seems to me that a definition of any living vibrant society is that you constantly question those stories... The argument itself is freedom. It's not that you come to a conclusion about it. Through that argument you change your mind sometimes... That's how societies grow. When you can't retell for yourself the stories of your life then you live in a prison... Somebody else controls the story. - S. Rushdie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gully View Post
    Here is another thought. Slaves were brought to America by Europeans and Africans. Slavery in America was ended by Americans.

    That's not to minimize the tragedy that it was but it gets a little old hearing how bad our country is because of decisions made by people who are long since passed on. It's time to move on and celebrate what we have in common, rather than driving division by focusing on things that happened a long time ago.
    There is a big difference between saying our country is bad and wanting to see it do better.
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    We all live in stories... It seems to me that a definition of any living vibrant society is that you constantly question those stories... The argument itself is freedom. It's not that you come to a conclusion about it. Through that argument you change your mind sometimes... That's how societies grow. When you can't retell for yourself the stories of your life then you live in a prison... Somebody else controls the story. - S. Rushdie

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