Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?

[NDSUstudent]

If they add UMKC, the conference is signing its own death sentence.

That said I'm much more concerned with the MVC adding Horizon schools...that is what could end up causing waves in the Summit.

[HerdBot]

If they add UMKC, the conference is signing its own death sentence.

If they add UMKC, they are looking more and more like the Summit. I mean, I wouldn't even be excited if we got them back in our conference. I would look at them as a good footprint team at best.

[Bison bison]

I wouldn't be surprised if they go east for murray state or belmont.

the last thing mvc-mvfc schools want is a destabilized summit.

[tjbison]

I wouldn't be surprised if they go east for murray state or belmont.

the last thing mvc-mvfc schools want is a destabilized summit.

so Murray St will be in the MVFC then also??

[Bison bison]

Doubtful.

Looks like Belmont it is!

[NDSUstudent]

so Murray St will be in the MVFC then also??

Either that, the Pioneer or they give up on the whole football thing.

[Hammersmith]

If we doubled our MBB budget, we would be near the top of the MVC. WSU skews the numbers for the MVC, they had a budget of over $6 million with them gone the highest budget is around $3 million(Same as the Summit with Denver who we have no issues competing with). We would need to do more but probably like $400-500k more. Biggest difference is coaching salaries.

Doubling our budget would put us in an effective 3-way tie for second place when WSU leaves.


Here are the 2015-16 numbers from the US Dept of Ed.

MVC
56) Wichita State University 6,920,933
121) Bradley University 3,128,419
132) University of Northern Iowa 2,899,699
133) University of Evansville 2,899,667
139) Loyola University Chicago 2,745,553
153) Drake University 2,472,212
156) Illinois State University 2,452,961
171) Missouri State University-Springfield 2,279,917
175) Southern Illinois University-Carbondale 2,241,413
208) Indiana State University 1,832,975

Summit
114) University of Denver 3,361,111
140) Oral Roberts University 2,741,483
251) University of North Dakota 1,579,108
253) Indiana University-Purdue University-Indianapolis 1,564,479
274) South Dakota State University 1,443,001
278) North Dakota State University-Main Campus 1,417,450
300) University of Nebraska at Omaha 1,288,481
303) Indiana University-Purdue University-Fort Wayne 1,269,206
304) Western Illinois University 1,238,197
313) University of South Dakota 1,156,551

[HerdBot]

Doubling our budget would put us in an effective 3-way tie for second place when WSU leaves.


Here are the 2015-16 numbers from the US Dept of Ed.

MVC
56) Wichita State University 6,920,933
121) Bradley University 3,128,419
132) University of Northern Iowa 2,899,699
133) University of Evansville 2,899,667
139) Loyola University Chicago 2,745,553
153) Drake University 2,472,212
156) Illinois State University 2,452,961
171) Missouri State University-Springfield 2,279,917
175) Southern Illinois University-Carbondale 2,241,413
208) Indiana State University 1,832,975

Summit
114) University of Denver 3,361,111
140) Oral Roberts University 2,741,483
251) University of North Dakota 1,579,108
253) Indiana University-Purdue University-Indianapolis 1,564,479
274) South Dakota State University 1,443,001
278) North Dakota State University-Main Campus 1,417,450
300) University of Nebraska at Omaha 1,288,481
303) Indiana University-Purdue University-Fort Wayne 1,269,206
304) Western Illinois University 1,238,197
313) University of South Dakota 1,156,551

North Dakota State and South Dakota State have dominated the Summit and we don't even spend that much. Of course since we have a shiny new arena we will be able to dramatically increase revenue. Let's see what we can do if we double it

By adding any combo of Ndsu, USD, or Sdsu they valley would have 75% of North Dakota, South Dakota, western Minnesota and a huge alumni base in Minneapolis from those schools. You have built in rivals with Missouri Valley teams so it's great for attendance. Sorry but when you get the biggest teams of a STATE university it's more big time than some little private school

[silkamilkamonico]

LOL, what? I'm no statistician, but my guess is the improvement has been significant.

No. In 2003-2004, the Summit Conference RPI was 20th. In 01-02 it was 22nd. In 97-98 it was 21st. It's seen nothing more than a marginal increase since the Dakota Schools have been in and that's it. The Summit Conference is 1 conference better than it was 15 years ago. There's no "significant" increase. There was a fluke year last in which it finished 12th and then it tumbled right back to 19th, 1 conference better than it was 15 years ago.

[tjbison]

No. In 2003-2004, the Summit Conference RPI was 20th. In 01-02 it was 22nd. In 97-98 it was 21st. It's seen nothing more than a marginal increase since the Dakota Schools have been in and that's it. The Summit Conference is 1 conference better than it was 15 years ago. There's no "significant" increase. There was a fluke year last in which it finished 12th and then it tumbled right back to 19th, 1 conference better than it was 15 years ago.

yeah, the "Summit is going to be as good as the MVC" crowd is going to run out of ammo fast, its insane to think that. Summit IMO has reached its plateau, we get stuck here its going to be a jumble mess that will be falling behind the BSC if Denver, Omaha, and yes even ORU leave. We will have to try and fill in with crap from the WAC and that will forever sink us to 16 seeds and play in games in the tourney. but hey we will be playing in Suck falls....