Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?

[silkamilkamonico]

For those understanding the value of conference worth, it is very important to win games in the NCAA tournament. A lot of money to be made for each win. This is Summit's main downfall against the MVC. It needs to win in March. We have one win, thanks to NDSU, that has earned units for the Summit conference. Payout for winning in March extends over a 6 year period. It's probably the main reason why Summit would never be able to poach from MVC. Those teams will get paid over the next 6 years for WSU's hard work, let alone all their wins in the last 6 years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ts/ncaa-money/

[silkamilkamonico]

But with Creighton and WSU gone will that contract be renewed??? Also with tourney wins WSU is responsible for most of them with the exception of UNI. So those future wins in the NCAA might be gone as well and therefore no more payments and tv contract with the teams leaving the MVC. Need to think long term and not short term on things. Just my thoughts on the matter.

MVC is going to get paid through tournament success for at leastthe next 6 years. Yes, the CBS contract would most likely be renewed. Despite what NDSU fans think, the MVC is held in high regard in college basketball, and that isn't changing anytime soon. It's one of the oldest conferences in the country.

Furthermore, and with all due respect, I don't understand why so many people here think the Summit is somehow the answer to all these other conference stability. people scoff at Evansville and Drake. They scoff even more at IUPUI and IPFW. Nobody want's half of the Summit's teams. Western Illinois has been thinking about dropping down to D3 for some time because it can't sustain it's athletic department. The Dakota schools aren't prestigious enough to overcome them.

[silkamilkamonico]

But with Creighton and WSU gone will that contract be renewed??? Also with tourney wins WSU is responsible for most of them with the exception of UNI. So those future wins in the NCAA might be gone as well and therefore no more payments and tv contract with the teams leaving the MVC. Need to think long term and not short term on things. Just my thoughts on the matter.

They are not gone for the next 6 years. And look at the teams that have won tournament games in the MVC. Bradley, Southern Illinois, Illinois St, most all of these teams have won a game or 2 in the tournament the last 10 years. That's the difference between MVC and Summit. Possibility. Until the Summit can start winning a game or 2 every few years, the possibility isn't really there right now. The Summit has exactly 1 win in the NCAA tournament in it's conference existence with it's current membership in the last 25+ years.

[silkamilkamonico]

Need to think long term and not short term on things. Just my thoughts on the matter.

I agree. But how is the Summit the answer to their problems?

[HerdBot]

Why cant the Summit League expand vs being raided for team to other conferences? I personally think once WSU leave MVC that conference is down to just UNI and Ill St. Why cant those two look at joining the Summit and screw the private school in the MVC. I like the direction the Summit is heading and I think it will be a very good mid major conference always. They are rivals of ours already.

Because why would they want to go to a conference that A) has no media contract and limited exposure B) Is always seemingly on the verge of imploding C) Has some teams that play in glorified high school gyms D) Has never once in their history had more than 1 bid

[HerdBot]

But with Creighton and WSU gone will that contract be renewed??? Also with tourney wins WSU is responsible for most of them with the exception of UNI. So those future wins in the NCAA might be gone as well and therefore no more payments and tv contract with the teams leaving the MVC. Need to think long term and not short term on things. Just my thoughts on the matter.

We wouldn't have to worry about that for 8 years.

[wow]

They are not gone for the next 6 years. And look at the teams that have won tournament games in the MVC. Bradley, Southern Illinois, Illinois St, most all of these teams have won a game or 2 in the tournament the last 10 years. That's the difference between MVC and Summit. Possibility. Until the Summit can start winning a game or 2 every few years, the possibility isn't really there right now. The Summit has exactly 1 win in the NCAA tournament in it's conference existence with it's current membership in the last 25+ years.

No they haven't. Of the teams you listed, only Southern Illinois has "recently" made the tournament, and that was 11 years ago. Southern Illinios did win 2 games that year, which is impressive. Again, that was 11 years ago.

2007 CU, S. Illinois
2008 Drake
2009 UNI
2010 UNI
2011 Indiana State
2012 CU, Wichita St.
2013 CU, Wichita St.
2014 Wichita St.
2015 UNI, Wichita St.
2016 UNI, Wichita St.

From 99-07, the MVC sent multiple teams to the tournament every year with good diversity of who was making it. Since then, they have sent one team 5 of the 10 years. During that time, 2 is the most that have made the tournament. At least one of those 2 has always been Creighton or Wichita State.

Maybe the MVC is better than the Summit, I'm not qualified to make that call. But any objective person should be able to say the MVC is a husk of what it once was. It just isn't that attractive, IMO.

The exclusion of Illinois State from this year's tournament shows the selection committee has come to terms with the reality of the MVC. I hope Summit schools understand that same reality before committing to a move, if that possibility arises. I hope they make decisions based on facts not feelings.

The money argument is a good one. IMO it is the only tangible edge the MVC holds over the Summit if WSU leaves. Jumping to the MVC without careful consideration could be like Denver jumping to the WAC. Tournament shares aren't all that great when all the cool kids have left the party.

[tjbison]

No they haven't. Of the teams you listed, only Southern Illinois has "recently" made the tournament, and that was 11 years ago. Southern Illinios did win 2 games that year, which is impressive. Again, that was 11 years ago.

2007 CU, S. Illinois
2008 Drake
2009 UNI
2010 UNI
2011 Indiana State
2012 CU, Wichita St.
2013 CU, Wichita St.
2014 Wichita St.
2015 UNI, Wichita St.
2016 UNI, Wichita St.

From 99-07, the MVC sent multiple teams to the tournament every year with good diversity of who was making it. Since then, they have sent one team 5 of the 10 years. During that time, 2 is the most that have made the tournament. At least one of those 2 has always been Creighton or Wichita State.

Maybe the MVC is better than the Summit, I'm not qualified to make that call. But any objective person should be able to say the MVC is a husk of what it once was. It just isn't that attractive, IMO.

The exclusion of Illinois State from this year's tournament shows the selection committee has come to terms with the reality of the MVC. I hope Summit schools understand that same reality before committing to a move, if that possibility arises. I hope they make decisions based on facts not feelings.

The money argument is a good one. IMO it is the only tangible edge the MVC holds over the Summit if WSU leaves. Jumping to the MVC without careful consideration could be like Denver jumping to the WAC. Tournament shares aren't all that great when all the cool kids have left the party.

And husk of what it once was is still better than the Summit

[silkamilkamonico]

No they haven't. Of the teams you listed, only Southern Illinois has "recently" made the tournament, and that was 11 years ago. Southern Illinios did win 2 games that year, which is impressive. Again, that was 11 years ago.

2007 CU, S. Illinois
2008 Drake
2009 UNI
2010 UNI
2011 Indiana State
2012 CU, Wichita St.
2013 CU, Wichita St.
2014 Wichita St.
2015 UNI, Wichita St.
2016 UNI, Wichita St.

From 99-07, the MVC sent multiple teams to the tournament every year with good diversity of who was making it. Since then, they have sent one team 5 of the 10 years. During that time, 2 is the most that have made the tournament. At least one of those 2 has always been Creighton or Wichita State.

Maybe the MVC is better than the Summit, I'm not qualified to make that call. But any objective person should be able to say the MVC is a husk of what it once was. It just isn't that attractive, IMO.

The exclusion of Illinois State from this year's tournament shows the selection committee has come to terms with the reality of the MVC. I hope Summit schools understand that same reality before committing to a move, if that possibility arises. I hope they make decisions based on facts not feelings.

The money argument is a good one. IMO it is the only tangible edge the MVC holds over the Summit if WSU leaves. Jumping to the MVC without careful consideration could be like Denver jumping to the WAC. Tournament shares aren't all that great when all the cool kids have left the party.

Curious why you started at 2007? 2006 had 4 teams in form the MVC. Yes. 4.
Witchita St, Bradley, Southern Illinois, and Northern Iowa. this included a Sweet 16 run from Bradley, and a round of 32 appearance from WSU.

The MVC might be better than the Summit. It might not be. It still held in higher regard around college basketball, and will getting tournament payouts far better than the Summit for AT LEAST 6 more years. Programs in the MVC have put resources into their program, made it competitive on a national level, branding the entire conference on a national level, and moved on to bigger and better things. Who's done that in the Summit? Oakland (On a much much smaller?)

There isn't really a reality with how they are viewed it. The MVC was down this year. That doesn't mean the Committee thinks less of the conference. It was simply down this year. It could certainly go back up next year. 2 years ago UNI was a #5 seed.

You can hate on MVC all you want. It's legitimate. Just don't pretend that staying in the Summit is going to somehow be better and more beneficial in terms of climbing a college basketball conference ladder. It's done nothing to show otherwise.

[tjbison]

Curious why you started at 2007? 2006 had 4 teams in form the MVC. Yes. 4.
Witchita St, Bradley, Southern Illinois, and Northern Iowa. this included a Sweet 16 run from Bradley, and a round of 32 appearance from WSU.

Cherry picking facts??

FACT - From 1986-2002 not one current Summit league team had made the Tournament
1990- Mid-Con put 2 teams in, both those teams are currently in the MVC #9 seed Missouri State, #14 Seed UNI
1991 - Mid-Con put 2 teams in, #12 UW-Green Bay, #13 Northern Illinois Horizon and MAC
1 Charter Member of the original Mid-Con remains - Western Illinois
Average seed over conference history #14