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    Quote Originally Posted by NDSUstudent View Post
    Take NDSU and SDSU out of the Summit and put them into the MVC and you don't have a competition now or going forward.

    Even without WSU, MVC schools spend much more on hoops across the board. If they make the right move in replacing them, they could continue to be a league with multi-bid potential.
    Totally agree. They spend way more than our conference does and they also have the ability to poach USD's head coach. As far as attendance goes... the MVC out draws the Summit even if you remove Wichita out the the equation. Teams like NDSU, USD, and SDSU would actually do quite well for the conference and are trending upwards in name recognition, rivalries, attendance, and facilities.... except the Western Illinois of the world would really bring down the numbers. The MVC has much greater TV exposure too which helps with attendance and recruiting
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    ISUR didn't make the dance for multiple reasons, part of that has to do with the quality of the league and the other part is the quality of their non league schedule. If they had a few more quality wins in non-conference, they are probably dancing but having just one top 100 win out of conference probably isn't going to cut it.

    I don't think Summit teams are busting their ass any more or less then MVC teams. Basketball is the marquee sport for every single MVC team, every team in that league wants to compete at a high level in that sport.

    The MVC is a political mess, I can agree with that but maybe they can pull their head out of their ass but like I've said before I have my doubts.

    As for the Summit, I don't think it has that much potential. The league is pretty much what it is always going to be. Too many schools with differing priorities and some with massive limitations.
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    And my math didn't adjust all the MVC teams not named Wichita State for not playing the Shockers.


    In 15/16 the Summit had a better RPI than the Valley.



    A couple of other points not brought up. Right now the Valley has six public schools and four private ones. That would change to 5/4 if the Shockers leave. Do you really think the private school members are going let three more public schools join?


    Moving to the MVC is all about brand/image (which is valuable), but we are talking about the future. The Valley is seen by basketball fans as a mid-major, the Summit as low-major if thought about at all. I really don't give sh#t --perceptions change, it may take time, but reality sometimes burns through the densest ignorance.
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    Future - what's best for NDSU? Staying in the Summit which will always be a 1 bid league? Or moving to the MVC, which was a bid league this year, and multi bid league other years?

    I wish I had time to down the NCAA March tournament wins/success which directly contributes to more money for that particular conference, and all the conference members.

    This isn't an RPI comparison, this is a money, contribution, recruiting, national success comparison, and there is no comparison between the 2 conferences. Teams in the MVC that are leaving, like Creighton, Wichita St, etc, are leaving for more prestigious conferences.

    The Summit has teams leaving for Big sky, WAC, Southland, and Horizon conferences, which are all inferior (and some inferior to the Summit).

    This is like saying NDSU football needs to stay in the MVC conference because it could be more prestigious than the Mountain west conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bisonator98 View Post
    This^^^^

    This isn't your daddy's MVC or Summit. They are trending in opposite directions.
    They really aren't though. Until the Summit can even have teams n the bubble, it's not really even a comparison between the 2 conferences.

    The Craig Smith situation is exactly why the MVC is going to always have better coaches, for one. Teams in the Summit aren't going to be able to pay the coaches well enough to stick around and build programs that can compete for the bubble.

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    Future - what's best for NDSU? Staying in the Summit which will always be a 1 bid league? Or moving to the MVC, which was a bid league this year, and multi bid league other years?

    I wish I had time to down the NCAA March tournament wins/success which directly contributes to more money for that particular conference, and all the conference members.

    This isn't an RPI comparison, this is a money, contribution, recruiting, national success comparison, and there is no comparison between the 2 conferences. Teams in the MVC that are leaving, like Creighton, Wichita St, etc, are leaving for more prestigious conferences.

    The Summit has teams leaving for Big sky, WAC, Southland, and Horizon conferences, which are all inferior (and some inferior to the Summit).

    This is like saying NDSU football needs to stay in the MVC conference because it could be more prestigious than the Mountain west conference.
    Totally agree. There is zero comparison. It's like comparing the Missouri Valley Football Conference to the Southland.
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    Every school in the Summit is looking for a way out..period

    If NDSU would turn down a MVC invite we may as well go back to DII
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    Quote Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico View Post
    They really aren't though. Until the Summit can even have teams n the bubble, it's not really even a comparison between the 2 conferences.

    The Craig Smith situation is exactly why the MVC is going to always have better coaches, for one. Teams in the Summit aren't going to be able to pay the coaches well enough to stick around and build programs that can compete for the bubble.
    Apparently everything stays the same and nothing changes in your world? I suppose you also never thought NDSU should go D1 or win a game in the big dance? Is there a rule somewhere that the Summit schools can't spend money and improve their scheduling?

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    I don't really get why people think the Summit has all this upward potential. I do agree the MVC is trending down but I can remember UNI making the sweet 16 and SIU making the sweet 16...these programs aren't exactly chopped liver. For the most part they've all done some things and made some noise.

    Omaha, UND and UNO are hockey schools. They are all fine in hoops but they are always going to be putting more resources to a different sport that competes directly with hoops.

    WIU, IPFW and IUPUI are what they are. Schools with limited budgets and not much support and honestly ORU is kind of trending in this direction sadly.

    The Summit is the island of misfit toys, we make the best of it but I think people are getting a bit carried away.

    I wish the MVFC could form into some kind of all-sports league but that is just a dream.
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    And yet UNO would have had the third highest RPI after WSU and ISUr this year.

    And UND would have been fourth.

    Damn hockey schools.



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