Quote Originally Posted by td577 View Post
Saul went to the NCAA tourney his second year and to the second round his 7th season. Richman coached NDSU to the second round of the NCAA tourney his 1st year and has a 69-40 record in four seasons. That is hardly leaving the cupboard bare. In fact, Tim Miles can be credited with setting Phillips up and Phillips setting Richman up. Miles is the only coach of the three not to win a conference title. The only one of the three to not coach a Bison team to the dance. Of the three mentioned, Miles had the worse winning percentage, yet the very next coach was very successful with Miles' recruits. In fact, Phillips started losing when he ran out of Miles' recruits and learned how to build his own team. Richman has done very well with the team Phillips has left him and now we get to start seeing him with teams of all his own recruits.

I love Tim Miles and started following him when he took his first job at Mayville State. I said then would be a D1 coach someday at a big program. He also didn't have the success as his successors because of things like transition period and things like that, but he certainly didn't leave the cupboard bare. That is simply ignorant.
Tim Miles put this program on the map with basically 2 outstanding wins that probably 90% of all small majors will never see in this lifetime.

Saul also finished a meager 16-13 his first season, 10-8 in conference play with a 4th place finish with the Fab 5 when they were juniors. If we could reverse time, could you imagine the shitting on he would have taken from the posters on this message board now? According to people here, that group of players was the best ever (great argument), and he finished 4th place in the conference when it was much worse than it was now with the best class of all time when they were considered upper classman.

When Saul's beloved team beat Oklahoma, as juniors they were 12-4 in conference play, finished 3rd, and lost in the first round of some post season tournament called the CBI. 3rd place in a conference that wasn't as good as it is now when the best NDSU team of all time in what many considered were juniors, aka upper classmen. He also left when the program had 1 outstanding player in LA, a young solid role player in Kory Brown and Carlin Dupree, an unknown in Dexter Werner, and basically nothing else, including recruiting.

And people want to shit on Dave Richman for being the best coach ever record-wise in his first 4 years, a tournament appearance, 2 conference championship losses, all because of a disappointing finish to last year and 3 home losses this year, 2 in which the teams were very good and much better?

LMAO - I don't exactly love Richman as a coach, but good grief, there's no perspective here. It's why people make fun of our basketball fanbase and don't take it seriously.