Bison Fatigue

[Christopher Moen]

I sure hope you’re wrong about how a coach would be treated after such a season. Remember the last guy who lost 3+ games here?

He ended up in Purgatory (Wyoming) for his transgressions?

[56BISON73]

There are two types of NDSU fans. There is the if Boise can do it then so can we types. The other is the we can't risk turning into the next Idaho so let's just stay. There was also the same kind of people when we made the move out of DII. Their were the Mcfeely types of which I would guess includes a good percentage of those here on Bisonville. The other is the Chapman/Taylor types who believed we belonged which also includes a good percentage of those on here. The rest have jumped on the bandwagon once the move was shown to be a success.

Anyways, it's just funny that the first response dependent on ones point of view in regards to this topic is either "but Idaho!" or "but Boise!"

Must be another type fan as I dont give a shit about either team. I'm all about we move up when it's in our best interests. Not only for all sports but for the school as well. Plus it needs to be financially feasible.

Moving up because some have small dick syndrome justvdoesnt make sense.

[AKBison]

When we left the NCC it was because we had more resources than we were allowed to use at that level. They cut the maximum number of scholarships you could issue. We’re nowhere close to that circumstance now. There’s no conference to take us, there’s nothing to play for, the exposure isn’t better, the competition is only marginally better and that improvement comes at greatly increased cost. In terms of population Fargo is still almost 40% smaller than Boise was when they moved up, and then they grew 50% in the decade after. The situation now is not comparable to the move from D-II, and Boise is not a good comp for Fargo at this point. The juice is not yet worth the squeeze.

A) I see that your in the "but Idaho" camp as indicated above.

B) The DI move wasn't just about reourceas although it was a great talking point. It was mostly about exposure and if you recall, there were two options. The first was to create a DI Hockey program which is what Taylor favored. The arena vote forced us to take option 2 and move all sports to DI.

C) There is significant more national exposure and revenue for FBS football program's compared to the FCS. It's not even debateable. What NDSU has accomplished in the FCS is so unbelievably remarkable that it will likely be looked at as the best run EVER in the history of DI football. Due to that and only that, we have also received unprecedented national exposure. However, it will come to an end as all things do and someday we will be just like Montana. They are a top 5 program, in the running for a national seed and probably have the strongest fan base in the division. However, they get zero national exposure and are a complete afterthought outside of the state. That's not a knock on them, just reality. Once our run ends that is our reality as well. To maintain our current level of exposure, FBS is the only option moving forward. Is the juice worth the squeeze???? Well that is a great question and is a legit reason to not make the move. However, I would argue that it is better to make the move while we still have mojo and momentum (See App State) to better ensure success rather than wait until we are Montana and make the move in order to get that national exposure back.

[fmfantasy]

today will be a real test for the anti fatigue contingent.. Facebook is full of people who cant even give away tickets. this might the worst team to come to the dome since Incarnate word... might not be 5k people in the stands after half time.

[89MTBISON]

A) I see that your in the "but Idaho" camp as indicated above.

B) The DI move wasn't just about reourceas although it was a great talking point. It was mostly about exposure and if you recall, there were two options. The first was to create a DI Hockey program which is what Taylor favored. The arena vote forced us to take option 2 and move all sports to DI.

C) There is significant more national exposure and revenue for FBS football program's compared to the FCS. It's not even debateable. What NDSU has accomplished in the FCS is so unbelievably remarkable that it will likely be looked at as the best run EVER in the history of DI football. Due to that and only that, we have also received unprecedented national exposure. However, it will come to an end as all things do and someday we will be just like Montana. They are a top 5 program, in the running for a national seed and probably have the strongest fan base in the division. However, they get zero national exposure and are a complete afterthought outside of the state. That's not a knock on them, just reality. Once our run ends that is our reality as well. To maintain our current level of exposure, FBS is the only option moving forward. Is the juice worth the squeeze???? Well that is a great question and is a legit reason to not make the move. However, I would argue that it is better to make the move while we still have mojo and momentum (See App State) to better ensure success rather than wait until we are Montana and make the move in order to get that national exposure back.

We'll never be like Montana, they are, what, 2-5 in championship games, their program has been a pile of rubble for a decade. They got zero national exposure during each of their championship runs. Montana the state and Montana the university are two decades behind North Dakota the state, and North Dakota State. We're fine where we are. The Griz spent over a million dollars looking into the move up, they are better positioned geographically than us and it didn't make sense for them. Enjoy this ride, it's not over yet. Our leadership at SU will know when the time is right.

[JMB]

A) I see that your in the "but Idaho" camp as indicated above.

B) The DI move wasn't just about reourceas although it was a great talking point. It was mostly about exposure and if you recall, there were two options. The first was to create a DI Hockey program which is what Taylor favored. The arena vote forced us to take option 2 and move all sports to DI.

C) There is significant more national exposure and revenue for FBS football program's compared to the FCS. It's not even debateable. What NDSU has accomplished in the FCS is so unbelievably remarkable that it will likely be looked at as the best run EVER in the history of DI football. Due to that and only that, we have also received unprecedented national exposure. However, it will come to an end as all things do and someday we will be just like Montana. They are a top 5 program, in the running for a national seed and probably have the strongest fan base in the division. However, they get zero national exposure and are a complete afterthought outside of the state. That's not a knock on them, just reality. Once our run ends that is our reality as well. To maintain our current level of exposure, FBS is the only option moving forward. Is the juice worth the squeeze???? Well that is a great question and is a legit reason to not make the move. However, I would argue that it is better to make the move while we still have mojo and momentum (See App State) to better ensure success rather than wait until we are Montana and make the move in order to get that national exposure back.

Of course there is an argument related to national exposure. Is SMU relevant? Eastern Michigan? UTEP? Troy? U Mass?

[Hammerhead]

Do you think the average fan cares more about the G5 than the top FCS teams?

[ByeSonBusiness]

Do you think the average fan cares more about the G5 than the top FCS teams?

Absolutely. The average football fan literally thinks FCS is division 2.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Of course there is an argument related to national exposure. Is SMU relevant? Eastern Michigan? UTEP? Troy? U Mass?

SMU used to be...something about paying players though didnt sit well with their peers.

[DM05]

SMU used to be...something about paying players though didnt sit well with their peers.

When SMU was relevant, they were also in a conference with Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU.....