Some background on the Iowa program (for those who aren't so familiar)

[MrSnuffleupagus]

Didn't you lose to South Dakota last year?

No. We won.

[thebootfitter]

They beat a Texas Tech team that went 4-5 in the Big 12, and a Michigan team that went 3-5 in the Big Ten. Those were their two P5 wins against teams with winning records.

They really didn't beat anyone.Tough to tell if they were any good. Seems like they won the games they were supposed to, lost the others.nothing unique or special about a 5-4 Big 12 team.

When you're looking for a championship team, I would agree that record matters. You can be really good, but if you can't win -- especially when it counts most in the playoffs -- you can't be a championship team. But I would argue that you could have a really good team that is a top 25-30 team that loses some really close games against really good competition. That doesn't mean they aren't a good team. It means they lost to some better competition as they were expected to. And in the case of K-State in 2013, they probably played both Baylor and OSU better than expected.

So... looking at conference record, I agree. Probably nothing special about K-State in 2013 relative to the Big 12. Dig a little under the hood, and I think several signs point to them being a better than average FBS team in 2013. Sagarin and Massey both remove the bias that you are exhibiting and that many poll participants probably exhibited when it comes to K-State. They lost to an FCS school and didn't beat anybody of significance. But if you look at their overall performance using objective metrics against all the teams they played -- and consider the relative strength of those teams based upon all the teams that THEY played -- then you can start to form a slightly better picture of how good (or not good) they were that year.

Ultimately, it comes down to opinion. However, if you use some forms of objective measures (such as Sagarin and Massey), your opinion is weighted a little less subjectively. That's my opinion, anyway.

[ByeSonBusiness]

When you're looking for a championship team, I would agree that record matters. You can be really good, but if you can't win -- especially when it counts most in the playoffs -- you can't be a championship team. But I would argue that you could have a really good team that is a top 25-30 team that loses some really close games against really good competition. That doesn't mean they aren't a good team. It means they lost to some better competition as they were expected to. And in the case of K-State in 2013, they probably played both Baylor and OSU better than expected.

So... looking at conference record, I agree. Probably nothing special about K-State in 2013 relative to the Big 12. Dig a little under the hood, and I think several signs point to them being a better than average FBS team in 2013. Sagarin and Massey both remove the bias that you are exhibiting and that many poll participants probably exhibited when it comes to K-State. They lost to an FCS school and didn't beat anybody of significance. But if you look at their overall performance using objective metrics against all the teams they played -- and consider the relative strength of those teams based upon all the teams that THEY played -- then you can start to form a slightly better picture of how good (or not good) they were that year.

Ultimately, it comes down to opinion. However, if you use some forms of objective measures (such as Sagarin and Massey), your opinion is weighted a little less subjectively. That's my opinion, anyway.

That's a fair point. I think that was a tough team to figure out. No major disagreement here

[EC8CH]

Ultimately, it comes down to opinion. However, if you use some forms of objective measures (such as Sagarin and Massey), your opinion is weighted a little less subjectively. That's my opinion, anyway.

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[ptrBison]

As I understand it, this will likely be the most high-profile game that NDSU has ever played, even despite your storied history in FCS, which is obviously so well deserved.

With that in mind, I thought I might share some thoughts on what I've experienced as an Iowa fan that might hopefully give you a bit more perspective on where we Hawkeye fans are coming from and lend some insight into our match-up that now looms just one month away. There aren't many programs that I would spend my time on composing this, so please take it as a sign of utmost respect of the Bison and what they've accomplished. I've observed your fanbase firsthand in Frisco and obviously, there aren't many more passionate crowds throughout the nation.

I have followed the Hawks from the time I was eight years old and watched them ascend to the Rose Bowl under an amazing renaissance under Hayden Fry who broke through in the Big Ten to throw a wrench into Michigan and Ohio State's dominance over the prior 13 plus years by bringing a relatively high-flying passing game into the conference that changed the face of things to come.

Over the past 30 years, Iowa has had a cyclical pattern ranging from very good years to some mediocre ones. This is evident even over the past decade, watching the Hawks win an Orange Bowl championship and fall to a 4-8 record. This has given Iowa fans an appreciation for success, but also leaves many of them wondering why it can't be sustained. There are several reasons for this that I'm not going to go into here, but suffice it to say that Iowa has been a program that surprises when nobody expects it and has disappointed when expectations are high. It goes without saying that I'm hoping for meeting expectations this year.

What we've seen in the past few years of Iowa football is essentially more of a re-invention than anything. In 2012, Iowa lost both of their previously 13 year-tenured coordinators who had been with Ferentz from the beginning. This thrust the program into uncharted waters and the results certainly weren't pretty as evidenced by the aforementioned 4-8 record along the way. Over the past few years, we've seen the juggling of position coaching assignments and a coming to understanding of how Ferentz wants things run by both new coordinators. Many have made fun of Greg Davis along the way and I've certainly disagreed with his playcalling patterns since he's been at Iowa, but I do think the struggles on offense have been more a factor of him not understanding the "Iowa Way" (read: lack of 4-5 star athletic ability) more than anything. Ferentz has total faith in his abilities and this is more than enough evidence for me to give him my support and patience. Last year was certainly a step in the right direction for quieting the critics.

So, who and what is Iowa football this year? We have a budding star at QB who played 75% of last year with his abdominal muscles ripped from his pubic bone and still lead the team to an undefeated regular season record. We have the best CB in college football returning, who teams stopped testing about halfway through the year, which kept his interception numbers from being even higher. We also have two new kickers who are unproven. When you play a style that values hidden yardage and getting points any way possible, it can be quite the scary proposition. The schedule is likely tougher than last year, but several key games are at home, which can make a significant difference when considering big picture. We have good pieces back on both the OL and DL, which bode well when considering the style the Hawkeyes play with, but are still unproven in pass protection and rushing the passer. The run offense and defense should be solid with a stable of three proven RBs and stout defenders up the middle at DT, MLB and SS. The WRs and TEs are still a work in progress, but there is talent in the younger ranks that may emerge in a big way as the season wears on.

Keys for me typically relate to the health of the team. This year the primary concern is keeping Beathard as close to 100% as we can. If you have an opportunity to go back and watch the Pittsburgh game from last year, you'll see him taking some huge (and likely illegal) hits throughout this game. He supposedly suffered his sports hernia on a dive for the pylon early in that game. Iowa can probably sustain some dings at RB and LB, but that's about it. We need the first string to be able to perform at a high level to have a successful season. We just don't carry the younger talent that's ready to play right away that the upper echelon programs do. When we're running at full strength, we can play with anyone. We certainly weren't even close to 100% in the Rose Bowl, and McCaffery is just a freak in general and essentially won that game by himself. Why we didn't gameplan to contain him better is beyond me, but Ferentz typically plays a base scheme that relies on everyone doing their job to accomplish the task, special scheming be damned. It really bit him in the ass in the Rose Bowl because we had no standard scheme that was going to slow Christian down that day (still so pissed about shitting the bed the past two bowl games). This gets to my way-too-early prediction for our game in a month. Iowa struggles with teams that either play an unorthodox style or those who can just throw insane amounts of talent on the field. As I see it, unfortunately for the Bison, you have neither. This isn't a slight in any way, shape or form, I just don't see NDSU out-Iowa-ing Iowa.

The Hawks are a team that was on the verge of greatness, but fell painfully short. They are a team full of returning veterans, but also have several freshman who look to contribute in a significant manner. They are a team that is lead by the epitome of consistency that has been forced to break from the norm due to the changing landscape of college football. This is a program that has seen the ups and downs and are primed for a run not seen by any Hawkeye fan ever. I hope you all a treated well in Iowa City and have a great time in one of the Historic settings for a college football game at Kinnick Stadium. May the beer be cold and the spirits not too gloomy in defeat.

Hawks 40
Bison 13

Looking forward to more good discussion over the next four weeks. Best of luck to you guys in weeks one and two. Can't wait to see the Bison in action and be able to better gauge the challenge in front of the Hawks.

No question that NDSU will head southeast expecting to win the game. You have a championship program with a championship attitude

You been drinking again brew?

[BrewHawk]

You been drinking again brew?

Gotta say that I do get a kick out of the fact you keep quoting a multiple paragraph post to reply with one line. Guess it does make the thread look longer

[Twincitybizon]

On paper yes, NDSU will be the highest-ranked (according to Sagarin) OOC team Iowa plays this year. Of course, one can't know for sure until the season plays out. If Iowa were to somehow beat NDSU by 28 points (highly unlikely) the Bison wouldn't stay at #44. The Iowa State game will see more buildup in the state of Iowa and among the fanbases just due to the annual rivalry, but no one really has any idea what sort of team Iowa State will have under a first year coach.

And most of us Iowa fans realize we need to strike while the iron is hot in terms of the B1G West. Illinois going through coaching change, Purdue in the death throes of the Hazell era, Minnesota stuck between okay and good and not sure if they have the right guy in Claeys, Wisconsin losing its d-coordinators and facing a brutal schedule, Nebraska with a new coach and not altogether sure he's the right guy. Lot of programs in transition right now in the West, so Iowa needs to follow up last year's very good season with another one here.

I'm looking forward to the game 9/17. I like the fact that both teams will have multiple games under their belts by then, both teams should have some idea of what type of team they have by that time. Hope you Bison fans trekking to Iowa City enjoy the visit. You are on top of the action at Kinnick, most of us Hawkeye fans enjoy visiting with opposing fans. There are rude examples in every fan base, just hope you don't encounter any on your trip.

Ill be making the trip and very much look forward to having a friendly brew with sine iowa fans

[ptrBison]

Gotta say that I do get a kick out of the fact you keep quoting a multiple paragraph post to reply with one line. Guess it does make the thread look longer

Yea, I don't need 8 paragraphs to make my point.

[CAS4127]

These Iowa fans remind me of UND/KSU and Goofer fans. 1. Hoping to win when opponents/schedule are/is soft (pathetic). 2. They are an almighty FBS school (lmao cuz they have never really done shit). 3. Have no clue and think they (as in fans) are something special cuz they are Hawkeye (what ever the fuck that is) fans/alum. Iowa is full of corn and corn holes, the former of which they stick up there asses and the latter of which is the result. Fuck 'em!!


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[SDbison]

These Iowa fans remind me of UND/KSU and Goofer fans. 1. Hoping to win when opponents/schedule are/is soft (pathetic). 2. They are an almighty FBS school (lmao cuz they have never really done shit). 3. Have no clue and think they (as in fans) are something special cuz they are Hawkeye (what ever the fuck that is) fans/alum. Iowa is full of corn and corn holes, the former of which they stick up there asses and the latter of which is the result. Fuck 'em!!


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Amen! LOL!