Week 10 Polls

[bisonaudit]

The committee doesn't pay any attention to how many teams get in from a conference so it's a mute point. If it comes down to UND they will be compared to all other potential teams accross the country. The Big Sky has nothing to do with anything.

Where is the purple?

[td577]

The committee doesn't pay any attention to how many teams get in from a conference so it's a mute point. If it comes down to UND they will be compared to all other potential teams accross the country. The Big Sky has nothing to do with anything.

That is a beautiful thought, but it isn't exactly true. While the committee isn't so transparent with their process, they have let on a little bit here and there about what goes on. They will come up with a master list of teams to consider and then create a draft of teams after placing the AQs in there. After a few drafts have been drawn up and plowed through, there is always attempt to negotiate by committee members. The Big Sky will be defended for who is not on the list, then it will be another team should really be added, and then it will be if you are going to take that team, this one really has a better overall portfolio in an attempt to get an additional team in. At some point it will be realized someone is trying to argue for 5 teams from a conference leaving out someone from another conference. The conversation will turn to there can't be more than 4 from there if we are going to have this one from here. Then it becomes an agreement about 4 because there are representatives from other conferences in there too. So then it goes back to what 4. So while it might be a mute point as in it isn't a stated criteria there is a limitation to how many teams get in, it isn't a moot point because reality doesn't always meet intentions. If this were a moot point, then the selection process would be a lot more transparent and besides seeding, I could create the field in 2 minutes. Remove the AQs, non participating schools, and any with less than 7 wins from the GPI and take the first 14. Done. The rest of the meeting would be spent seeding.

[bisonaudit]

That is a beautiful thought, but it isn't exactly true. While the committee isn't so transparent with their process, they have let on a little bit here and there about what goes on. They will come up with a master list of teams to consider and then create a draft of teams after placing the AQs in there. After a few drafts have been drawn up and plowed through, there is always attempt to negotiate by committee members. The Big Sky will be defended for who is not on the list, then it will be another team should really be added, and then it will be if you are going to take that team, this one really has a better overall portfolio in an attempt to get an additional team in. At some point it will be realized someone is trying to argue for 5 teams from a conference leaving out someone from another conference. The conversation will turn to there can't be more than 4 from there if we are going to have this one from here. Then it becomes an agreement about 4 because there are representatives from other conferences in there too. So then it goes back to what 4. So while it might be a mute point as in it isn't a stated criteria there is a limitation to how many teams get in, it isn't a moot point because reality doesn't always meet intentions. If this were a moot point, then the selection process would be a lot more transparent and besides seeding, I could create the field in 2 minutes. Remove the AQs, non participating schools, and any with less than 7 wins from the GPI and take the first 14. Done. The rest of the meeting would be spent seeding.

I think it's even simpler than that. Wins matter to the committee, and a lot of other people. So much so that this idea that there's a 7 win rule keeps coming up when it doesn't actually exist. But anyway. Wins matter and that means that conferences matter.

Also, if you're going to pick the field in 2 minutes using GPI, why stop there. You can seed the thing the same way and have the whole process done in 3 minutes.

[td577]

I think it's even simpler than that. Wins matter to the committee, and a lot of other people. So much so that this idea that there's a 7 win rule keeps coming up when it doesn't actually exist. But anyway. Wins matter and that means that conferences matter.

Also, if you're going to pick the field in 2 minutes using GPI, why stop there. You can seed the thing the same way and have the whole process done in 3 minutes.

7 wins is their guideline on their website.

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[BisonTru]

7 wins is their guideline on their website.

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The won-lost record of a team will be scrutinized to determine a team’s strength of schedule; however, fewer than
six Division I wins may place a team in jeopardy of not being selected;

That is from the NCAA Manual.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/fi...s_20150924.pdf


-Also, SHSU got into the field with only 6 D1 wins.

[abc123]

That is a beautiful thought, but it isn't exactly true. While the committee isn't so transparent with their process, they have let on a little bit here and there about what goes on. They will come up with a master list of teams to consider and then create a draft of teams after placing the AQs in there. After a few drafts have been drawn up and plowed through, there is always attempt to negotiate by committee members. The Big Sky will be defended for who is not on the list, then it will be another team should really be added, and then it will be if you are going to take that team, this one really has a better overall portfolio in an attempt to get an additional team in. At some point it will be realized someone is trying to argue for 5 teams from a conference leaving out someone from another conference. The conversation will turn to there can't be more than 4 from there if we are going to have this one from here. Then it becomes an agreement about 4 because there are representatives from other conferences in there too. So then it goes back to what 4. So while it might be a mute point as in it isn't a stated criteria there is a limitation to how many teams get in, it isn't a moot point because reality doesn't always meet intentions. If this were a moot point, then the selection process would be a lot more transparent and besides seeding, I could create the field in 2 minutes. Remove the AQs, non participating schools, and any with less than 7 wins from the GPI and take the first 14. Done. The rest of the meeting would be spent seeding.

Who's the one carrying the supposed water for the Big Sky?

[missingnumber7]

Look closer. If UND wins out (big if) they are at 7 D1 wins including an FBS.

SUU, PSU, and NAU all have a DII so drop a win when the selection committee looks at records.

SUU plays both PSU and NAU to close the season. PSU also plays EWU. NAU needs to win out just to get to 7 countable wins. Weber is ahead of UND but has only one game left and is 5-5.

There is room to move up a lot if they win out.

6 is the number you are meaning to refer to.
The won-lost record of a team will be scrutinized to determine a team’s strength of schedule; however, fewer than
six Division I wins may place a team in jeopardy of not being selected;
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/fi...s_20150924.pdf
section 2-3 selection criteria

[NorthernBison]

6 is the number you are meaning to refer to.
The won-lost record of a team will be scrutinized to determine a team’s strength of schedule; however, fewer than
six Division I wins may place a team in jeopardy of not being selected;
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/fi...s_20150924.pdf
section 2-3 selection criteria

I wasn't referring to any criteria other than how many wins it will likely take to get one of the 24 spots in the tournament. Maybe there have been years where a team with 6 wins gets selected but I doubt if this year will be one of them. 7 should, at least, get you into the conversation. If one of them is over an FBS, so much the better (even Wyoming). Drake won't help UND in the SOS though.

[tjbison]

Und vs Dayton opening round, winner comes to Fargo

That would equal epic

[bisonaudit]

6 is the number you are meaning to refer to.
The won-lost record of a team will be scrutinized to determine a team’s strength of schedule; however, fewer than
six Division I wins may place a team in jeopardy of not being selected;
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/fi...s_20150924.pdf
section 2-3 selection criteria

Is that link right?

The NCAA SRS formula is basically in there. Basically a win counts 1 a loss -1. You get a quarter point bonus for road wins and a quarter point penalty for home losses. Comparatively the bonus/penalty for winning/losing up a level (FBS) or down a level (II) is only a tenth of a point.

Also, it says that the NCAA SRS does consider margin of victory with a cap of 21 points. No details on how exactly it's incorporated into the formula. I'd heard that was on the table and rejected at one point but I don't remember if it was for 2014 or 2015.

Also they seem think the word "independent" is synonymous with the concept of interdependence.