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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS4127 View Post
    You may be correct on that, although our “run game” has changed for the worse IMO.

    That said, while the Ducks likely have more eye candy talent then us, we’ll be fine, but I don’t feel Ducks have any advantage over us on the Oline. The problem is our interior Dline. I like us scheming to offset that tho, with our LBs, even as slow as out MLB is.


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    You don’t like the current NDSU run game? I love the QB Power and other misdirection, wrong read plays that Lance allows.


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    You don’t like the current NDSU run game? I love the QB Power and other misdirection, wrong read plays that Lance allows.


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    We are trending away from under-center snaps, which I feel diminishes A-gap power running game. Hang in here.

    Our base offense is predicated off of A-gap power, but we run power all the way out to D-gap. Not being under-center, IMO, “frees” the LBs to have more depth pre-snap, which then makes it more difficult for our Oline getting/releasing to and connecting at the second level. IOW, LBs are more difficult to get pads on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS4127 View Post
    We are trending away from under-center snaps, which I feel diminishes A-gap power running game. Hang in here.

    Our base offense is predicated off of A-gap power, but we run power all the way out to D-gap. Not being under-center, IMO, “frees” the LBs to have more depth pre-snap, which then makes it more difficult for our Oline getting/releasing to and connecting at the second level. IOW, LBs are more difficult to get pads on.


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    Fair esp if there is a mesh out of offset. Tougher angles for second level fits if the backers have a quick trigger. On the flip side running Power from gun/pistol allows you to tag an RPO on the backside and keep a second level defender out of run support. I’m not sure how much NDSU utilizes tags as a part of the run game but that could be an answer. I love the formational balance of having the back in the dot under center but esp with a mobile smart QB I think it restricts your ability to conflict a defender and gain numbers.

    Seems to me like the adjustments are all based around playing to the strengths and utility of Lances skillset.


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    Honestly the average fan who goes to games and doesn’t follow the team year round probably will be very indifferent to you. Obviously we know you’re a legit program but at least 60% of Autzen will see you as just another FCS. Ignorant as that might be


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    I mean when we're playing right with you and possibly win.

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    Jabril Cox is bigger and can hit like former Bison (LB Headhunter) Joe Mays—clickit—> https://youtu.be/Mr-ELKhmWj8


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    How many stars did he have tho

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    Fair esp if there is a mesh out of offset. Tougher angles for second level fits if the backers have a quick trigger. On the flip side running Power from gun/pistol allows you to tag an RPO on the backside and keep a second level defender out of run support. I’m not sure how much NDSU utilizes tags as a part of the run game but that could be an answer. I love the formational balance of having the back in the dot under center but esp with a mobile smart QB I think it restricts your ability to conflict a defender and gain numbers.

    Seems to me like the adjustments are all based around playing to the strengths and utility of Lances skillset.


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    You’re a bit beyond me here, but we do better power blocking in tight spaces, if that makes sense. It’s more seal, and release blocking and letting the RB run it up in there, and occasionally hitting a quick-opening seam. But we’ll take the 3-4 yard run for the most part and wait for something to break.

    Another Bison fan here mentioned this earlier: we are patient and have a method to our madness (wear out the opponent) methodically.

    Not sure that will work with the Ducks, and, as mentioned, we are getting away from that because of an Uber-talented QB. I’d rather see us stay the course and use Lance as a game-changer when called for and or at critical or unsuspecting opportunities.

    Readers Digest version—>I feel we are more effective overall on O when we run QB under-center.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ndsubison1 View Post
    I mean when we're playing right with you and possibly win.
    Not meant to be a troll post or disrespectful just the truth when dealing with the casuals


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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS4127 View Post
    You’re a bit beyond me here, but we do better power blocking in tight spaces, if that makes sense. It’s more seal, and release blocking and letting the RB run it up in there, and occasionally hitting a quick-opening seam. But we’ll take the 3-4 yard run for the most part and wait for something to break.

    Another Bison fan here mentioned this earlier: we are patient and have a method to our madness (wear out the opponent) methodically.

    Not sure that will work with the Ducks, and, as mentioned, we are getting away from that because of an Uber-talented QB. I’d rather see us stay the course and use Lance as a game-changer when called for and or at critical or unsuspecting opportunities.

    Readers Digest version—>I feel we are more effective overall on O when we run QB under-center.


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    After the UFC fights tonight when everyone leaves I’m going to fire up some more NDSU tape to see for sure but my initial take is that NDSU is transitioning the offense to best take advantage of Lances legs. With ZR, QB Power or any other QB option run play you immediately get a numbers advantage against an even box. With the more traditional power run game you can just tag a run pass option on for example the back side hook defender. If he comes up to play the run pull it out and hit a seam or slant in the hook. If he stays disciplined hand the ball off and now if you win your 6on6 power run game (11 Pers for this example) you might be able to break a big one because you held the hook defender away from the play for an extra couple seconds.

    My general issue with the more traditional power out of an under center 21 Pers look is it’s less flexible in terms of reading defenders and limits your ability to punish teams for cheating. If you’re getting the 4 yards a carry the efficiency based run games are based on it doesn’t matter because they can’t stop you.
    2019 Oregon was primarily a efficiency run game as well: 11/12 Pers with a ton of split zone, tight zone and wide zone out of pistol. We didn’t run the QB much till the last two games so we just tagged an RPO. Pistol gave us balance from a formational perspective and the pistol allowed us to add RPO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS4127 View Post
    You’re a bit beyond me here, but we do better power blocking in tight spaces, if that makes sense. It’s more seal, and release blocking and letting the RB run it up in there, and occasionally hitting a quick-opening seam. But we’ll take the 3-4 yard run for the most part and wait for something to break.

    Another Bison fan here mentioned this earlier: we are patient and have a method to our madness (wear out the opponent) methodically.

    Not sure that will work with the Ducks, and, as mentioned, we are getting away from that because of an Uber-talented QB. I’d rather see us stay the course and use Lance as a game-changer when called for and or at critical or unsuspecting opportunities.

    Readers Digest version—>I feel we are more effective overall on O when we run QB under-center.


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    I like misdirection runs from under center. Harder for the defense to make reads

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS4127 View Post
    You may be correct on that, although our “run game” has changed for the worse IMO.

    That said, while the Ducks likely have more eye candy talent then us, we’ll be fine, but I don’t feel Ducks have any advantage over us on the Oline. The problem is our interior Dline. I like us scheming to offset that tho, with our LBs, even as slow as out MLB is.


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    I see our nose guards and ILBs vs your interior as advantage Oregon. I see Thibodeaux being unblockable next year.

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