NDSU vs Ducks

[Buffalo.Rider]

Edited your post a bit but you make some really good points about the development of recruits, but I think that numbers play a bigger role in * rankings than coaching. CA, TX and FL produce the most 5* recruits because they’re the states with the most kids playing football, that’s really true for any of the major population football states. Regional issues also play a huge role in this. There are myriad articles recently here on the West Coast about the numbers game in football. GA 5* player is 1 in 10,000, but in California it’s closer to 1 in 15,000. The type of player by region is also interesting. This regional is especially pronounced on Defense. especially on the DL. Most of the highest quality DL guys are in the SEC footprint.

That’s what makes Cristobal so different from previous OR coaches. He’s going to the SEC to try and get kids. He’s working on flipping a 4* Alabama commit DL recruit right now. We’ll find out on the 5th if it worked.

Part of the subtext of my comments (above) are that the * system is somewhat overrated. Raw natural talent if put in the right environment will win out in the end over the * system.
Related therefore: the Bison should not be intimidated by the "Ducks have this 4* recruit, and that 4* recruit" rhetoric.

[GreenfieldBison]

NDSU can’t help the teams they beat down were pud that year. They can only play and try to beat the team opposite of them that day. What that team does with the rest of their season is out of NDSUs hands.

Since the NDSU games are always played early in the season it does make you wonder a bit if/how the psyche of the losing FBS team was affected by the failure. Did that in fact cause them to have less belief in themselves for the balance of the season?


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[ByeSonBusiness]

Part of the subtext of my comments (above) are that the * system is somewhat overrated. Raw natural talent if put in the right environment will win out in the end over the * system.
Related therefore: the Bison should not be intimidated by the "Ducks have this 4* recruit, and that 4* recruit" rhetoric.

Raw natural talent is often times exactly how one gets the stars.

The star system isnt necessarily reliable on a micro- level but it certainly is on the macro-level. When you consistently recruit a bunch of high level kids, you will probably end up winning a lot.

Great example is Ole Miss a few years back when they were illegally recruiting. Got high end recruits. Won a lot more games.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Aren't these the same ducks that used to take Boise State to the wood shed? Big game Oregon. They never lose.

Lmao remember that time legarrett blunt punched that dude in the face?

[89MTBISON]

You continue to sound like an idiot. Someone needs to get toilet paper for your diarrhea of the keyboard. Only bad FBS lose and the FBS plays the great fcs teams. Skewed view of the world much. If your precious FBS teams aren't afraid why has it been 5 years since someone would play NDSU? Leave your 2nd grade statistics behind and let these two teams play for the answer. "Everyone has plan until they get punched in the mouth."

I've got good news for you horns, and it sounds like it will be the first time anyone has clued you in on this. Regardless of what you and our very respectful duck visitors have to say, the actual game WILL be played by the players themselves. So cheer up and chill out. The dude you're bitching at is making you look like a douche. Btw he's spot on. Gonna be a great game, but we face an uphill battle against a much better team....on paper.

[IzzyFlexion]

Sorry you’re misunderstanding/misquoting me. Originally, I was replying to the poster comparing all the NC’s NDSU’s won to the none that Oregon has. I was making the point that the level of competition FCS to FBS is drastically different overall.

Since 1978, when they formed the divisions, FCS teams lose to FBS teams nearly all of the time. I can’t even find the actual overall record. FCS has won 198 games as of last summer that works out to about 5 wins a year on average out of how many games? 100+ per year? The SEC alone probably plays 30+ FCS teams a year.

Those wins are also almost always a good/great FCs team beating a bad FBS team. Over that 42 year time period FCS teams beat a ranked FBS team 5 times (NDSU has one of those vs #13 Iowa.) 1 win vs ranked teams every 8 years, that’s probably what, 1 out of every 200-300 chances. (Assuming 30ish ranked teams each play an FCS team once per year for 8 years, and subtract some for teams moving out of the rankings).

NDSU has been great vs FBS by they’ve also played some bad FBS teams

2007 - 1-10 MINN record
2010 - 3-9 KAN record
2011 - 3-9 MINN record
2012 - 4-8 CSU record
2013 - 8-5 KSU record, decent team, 11-2 2012 KSU team lost 35-17 to Oregon in Fiesta Bowl.
2014 - 2-10 ISU record
2016 - 8-5 Iowa record, decent team, ranked 13 when NDSU beat them.

I think there’s a chance NDSU can win. It’s a small chance, but it would arguably be the biggest FCS vs FBS upset in history.

Regarding the 2014 Iowa State win:

NDSU won (in Ames) by 20 (34-14).
The Bison outgained the Cyclones 506-253.
NDSU's QB (Carson Wentz) made his 1st start as a college player.
NDSU won the TOP battle 35:47 to 24:13.
In their other 9 losses during that season, Iowa State lost their BIG 12 games by an average margin of 19.8 points.

That was a big day for the Bison.

[MNLonghorn10]

Lmao remember that time legarrett blunt punched that dude in the face?

Yep. Watched that from an Ames hotel after losing to Iowa st

[ZHerd]

You continue to sound like an idiot. Someone needs to get toilet paper for your diarrhea of the keyboard. Only bad FBS lose and the FBS plays the great fcs teams. Skewed view of the world much. If your precious FBS teams aren't afraid why has it been 5 years since someone would play NDSU? Leave your 2nd grade statistics behind and let these two teams play for the answer. "Everyone has plan until they get punched in the mouth."

Drunk homer post alert. Not sure what he said that set you off so bad but how is the thin skin treating you

[IzzyFlexion]

Yep. Watched that from an Ames hotel after losing to Iowa st

hahaha…...the NDSU score scrolls across the screen at the 1:20 mark.

[ZHerd]

Part of the subtext of my comments (above) are that the * system is somewhat overrated. Raw natural talent if put in the right environment will win out in the end over the * system.
Related therefore: the Bison should not be intimidated by the "Ducks have this 4* recruit, and that 4* recruit" rhetoric.

As I understand the star system it is based somewhat on offers. P5 coaching staffs aren’t all ignorant. If Bama, or Clemson want someone it is because they are some of the best high school talents in the country and extremely athletically gifted. I love NDSU’s ability to take the overlooked and turn them into amazing players, and it’s partly what makes them so fun to follow, but do we really think we wouldn’t be better if we could have Bamas ability to sign whoever they want? People always seem to overreact (though yours isn’t really overreactionary) to star rankings. It’s the end all or it’s crappy and meaningless. Neither of those is correct