NDSU vs Ducks

[Bison bison]

Funny, I remember NDSU dominating a senior/NFL All Pro cornerback in Iowa City in 2016...

[bisonduck]

Funny, I remember NDSU dominating a senior/NFL All Pro cornerback in Iowa City in 2016...

He didn’t get dominated.

[Ode2Luke]

I just think that’s nuts, man. You can’t lose your QB and OC and just assume it will be better. Hope it’s as good, at the most.

It would be an easy counter argument to point to the 2019 Ducks defense here. Ducks lost their best D coordinator in forever when Leavitt left at the end of ‘18. Ducks bring in Avalos and the defense goes from good to great in his first year.

[Bison bison]

He didn’t get dominated.

We played our game and the one time he needed to make a tackle, he got pushed aside by the qb on a 29 yard gain.

[bisonduck]

Easton Stick ran his ass over on the game win drive.

A player lost a rep...c’mon, bro, you’re better than that. King popped on the screen when I watched last week. Also, he wasn’t responsible for stopping the run. Iowa’s OLBs were non-existent in that game.

[heffray]

Ok here’s the part you’re missing. 2019 Oregon was great because of their DEFENSE. That defense returns 9 of 11 guys, is absolutely loaded behind them, and adds the most talent the Ducks have ever had in a single recruiting class. Someone said earlier it’s the most raw talent they’ve had, but it’s not just raw talent it’s also experienced talent.

The OC change is universally considered to be an upgrade.

CB coach is a former Duck D analyst coming back after vastly improving MN’s CB play in the 1 year he was there. Players are excited he’s coming back. Old CB coach loss hurts because was a great recruiter which is why USC wanted him so much.

QB is a question mark, Herbert was great but go back and watch the spring game highlights I posted 200 pages ago in this thread. Most of the QB highlights are of the backup QB Shough...

Unless you’re arguing that returning players don’t matter which would be a bummer. I was excited to watch an elite FCS team play, but by your argument NDSU is likely to be just another checkbook win to pad the stats. That’s a fucking moronic take.

<bets still on, ship them as collectible cans or bottles.>

I think its anecdotal and optimistic. I'd be willing to bet losing your starting QB alone, especially when he is an NFL draft pick, usually results in a drop in play on the offensive side of the ball, if you looked at all situations on all teams where that was the case.

Defensively you're obviously solid, but I wouldn't exactly say you were dominant against any good competition. Losses to Auburn and Arizona St (ew), and the PAC12 is bottom tier p5.

Just listen to me for a second, I'm coming around to you on this because you're obviously a beer person and beer people are my people... What I'm saying is, NDSU has 2 big question marks at corner and DE. Outside of that, I expect our defense to be just as good, and we have a history of depth on the line with guys stepping up especially in big games. Filling that corner spot is the biggest question mark for the Bison and could be the key factor in this game. We agree, this *should* be a good game. I will be surprised if Oregon wins by more than 1 score. I wouldn't be surprised at a Bison loss, but in all sincerity, it has more to do with aforementioned questions on the Bison D than a dominant Oregon.

Notice I'm not asking you to name any PAC12 teams you think would beat any Bison team since 2011, because I have no idea what that would prove or why anyone would ask you to do that. I was calling *that* "fucking moronic." But you're absolutely entitled to thinking you'll be the best Defense in the FBS and a better Offense. Honestly I don't have a problem with that take, you guys all seem to know your team. I'll believe it when I see it....

As for the bet... Ok, lets do this. But terms need to be modified. Are you confident Oregon will cover the spread? Would you be willing to use that as a measuring stick or do we need to find our own line?

[bisonduck]

I think its anecdotal and optimistic. I'd be willing to bet losing your starting QB alone, especially when he is an NFL draft pick, usually results in a drop in play on the offensive side of the ball, if you looked at all situations on all teams where that was the case.

Defensively you're obviously solid, but I wouldn't exactly say you were dominant against any good competition. Losses to Auburn and Arizona St (ew), and the PAC12 is bottom tier p5.

Just listen to me for a second, I'm coming around to you on this because you're obviously a beer person and beer people are my people... What I'm saying is, NDSU has 2 big question marks at corner and DE. Outside of that, I expect our defense to be just as good, and we have a history of depth on the line with guys stepping up especially in big games. Filling that corner spot is the biggest question mark for the Bison and could be the key factor in this game. We agree, this *should* be a good game. I will be surprised if Oregon wins by more than 1 score. I wouldn't be surprised at a Bison loss, but in all sincerity, it has more to do with aforementioned questions on the Bison D than a dominant Oregon.

Notice I'm not asking you to name any PAC12 teams you think would beat any Bison team since 2011, because I have no idea what that would prove or why anyone would ask you to do that. I was calling *that* "fucking moronic," But you're absolutely entitled to thinking you'll be the best Defense in the FBS and a better Offense. Honestly I don't have a problem with that take, you guys all seem to know your team. I'll believe it when I see it....

As for the bet... Ok, lets do this. But terms need to be modified. Are you confident Oregon will cover the spread? Would you be willing to use that measuring stick or do we need to find our own line?

It’s really simple. Look at Arroyo’s output at every stop as an OC. His offenses never operated at 100% capacity. He’s a subpar OC.

The reasons why the offense improve:

1) proven coordinator
2) skill positions are finally experienced and talented - it was bare boned two years ago and inexperienced last year.
3) Herbert plays constipated and throws 100 mph on every throw.

[Ode2Luke]

We can do so much better than Fargo Brewing or Surly. Junkyard or Drekker are the local places that would compete with some of the good stuff you guys have out there.

I’m glad to hear the Fargo beer scene is improving. Last time I was out there was years ago and it seemed like FBC had just opened and was the only game in town. Was at Surly a year or two ago, Furious and Todd the Axe Man were solid IPA’s, wish I would have found a couple bottles of Darkness. I’d love to see how the Midwest stacks up to the BBA stuff we’ve got out here. Goose Island BCS is the only one I see regularly and this years batch wasn’t as good as last years. (Fucking InBev) IMO Fremont out of Seattle is CRUSHING it this year coconut BBomb is stupid delicious. Do you guys get them? Or Deschutes, North Coast?

[heffray]

I’m glad to hear the Fargo beer scene is improving. Last time I was out there was years ago and it seemed like FBC had just opened and was the only game in town. Was at Surly a year or two ago, Furious and Todd the Axe Man were solid IPA’s, wish I would have found a couple bottles of Darkness. I’d love to see how the Midwest stacks up to the BBA stuff we’ve got out here. Goose Island BCS is the only one I see regularly and this years batch wasn’t as good as last years. (Fucking InBev) IMO Fremont out of Seattle is CRUSHING it this year coconut BBomb is stupid delicious. Do you guys get them? Or Deschutes, North Coast?

Deschutes and North Coast, yes. Fremont, no... but I have a bottle of 2016 BBA Dark Star that I am holding for a buddy of mine who got it in Colorado (long story) ANYWAY... Old Rasputin (and the BA) version are usually pretty reliable to get out here, and you can't give away Abyss or the Black Butte anniversary stuff anymore. I'm bummed that Deschute's quality has gone down in Abyss especially since they started doing the variants. That tequila version was awful. I'm big fan of Fresh Squeezed and Red Chair, though. Great table beers.

I actually didn't notice the drop in quality from this year's BCBS. The variants, too, this year and last I thought were all stellar of the ones I've tried. They've really done a good job since the 2015 infection debacle.

Any other breweries out there you like? I've been lucky to be able to try a few Hair of the Dog vintages (Fred is the one I remember). If you ever get down to the Twin Cities again, there a few newer places (way better than Surly) that I can recommend. I lived for a decade and recently moved back home.

[23Bison]

Damn it now I need a drink.