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[NDSU92]

I'm not talking about the teams flying. I'm talking about family members attending games. Many will want to travel often to see their kids play. They aren't going to fly out west every week. But they could drive to Carbondale or Cedar Falls or Macomb. The school impact would be more flights than bus trips but that would be an issue regardless of which FBS conference the Bison joined. That probably has more impact on the decision to move to FBS in general.

It's fact that UND struggled to compete for recruits because of the footprint of where they played their games. I expect them to have much more success now that they are in the Summit/MVFC. Whether you like it or not, NDSU's location is a factor that makes all of this more difficult than if they were in a different geography.

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Is your point that we won’t be able to recruit because parents want their kids playing close by? Do you really think the parents are going to tell their kids to not go to NDSU because they’ll have to fly to a couple more games each year than they would’ve if they would’ve stayed FCS? Do you even think kids today care how their parents get to games? The vast majority of our kids are either from outside the area or are going to NDSU when we come knocking (especially if we are MW).

Even biting that it does matter, the MW is still split up into divisions. Wyoming is playing one game in California this fall. I suspect that’s pretty typical for folks in the mountain division. To say that Missouri state, Youngstown, indy state, so ill aren’t far away but Colorado, Wyoming or Idaho are is tough.

As far as UND, they couldn’t recruit because they were the fourth horse to the region’s watering hole. IMO their inability to recruit up til now is probably much more a lack of resources, bad leadership and lack of tradition/fan base than anything. If NDSU were in the mountain west we wouldn’t be losing recruits to SDSU/UNI on the basis of NDSU playing 1/3 of their games out west.

[56BISON73]

Is your point that we won’t be able to recruit because parents want their kids playing close by? Do you really think the parents are going to tell their kids to not go to NDSU because they’ll have to fly to a couple more games each year than they would’ve if they would’ve stayed FCS? Do you even think kids today care how their parents get to games? The vast majority of our kids are either from outside the area or are going to NDSU when we come knocking (especially if we are MW).

Even biting that it does matter, the MW is still split up into divisions. Wyoming is playing one game in California this fall. I suspect that’s pretty typical for folks in the mountain division. To say that Missouri state, Youngstown, indy state, so ill aren’t far away but Colorado, Wyoming or Idaho are is tough.

As far as UND, they couldn’t recruit because they were the fourth horse to the region’s watering hole. IMO their inability to recruit up til now is probably much more a lack of resources, bad leadership and lack of tradition/fan base than anything. If NDSU were in the mountain west we wouldn’t be losing recruits to SDSU/UNI on the basis of NDSU playing 1/3 of their games out west.

Its part of the recruiting pitch. Just like it is for BB. How much it comes in to play I dont know. But how many kids leave NDSU and the excuse is they want to be closer to home?

[NDSU92]

Its part of the recruiting pitch. Just like it is for BB. How much it comes in to play I dont know. But how many kids leave NDSU and the excuse is they want to be closer to home?

Sure, I can see the part of the recruiting pitch that’s fair. If I’m an FBS caliber kid and Bubba is in my living room telling me to spurn NDSU so I can play my road games in Brookings and Vermillion vs. Boise and Colorado Springs he’ll be outta the house before he can give me my offer.

I’m not sure how many kids we really lose to actually wanting to be closer to home. Seems like most of those kids end up playing D2 ball with limited success anyways. It’s not like we’re dropping kids to go home and play at Sam Houston where they end up being a roaring success.

On the flip side, I will say that I agree with this point for all non-football sports. Those seasons are a minimum of 16 conference games and those games don’t carry as much weight as football due to the number of games played.

[IndyBison]

Sure, I can see the part of the recruiting pitch that’s fair. If I’m an FBS caliber kid and Bubba is in my living room telling me to spurn NDSU so I can play my road games in Brookings and Vermillion vs. Boise and Colorado Springs he’ll be outta the house before he can give me my offer.

I’m not sure how many kids we really lose to actually wanting to be closer to home. Seems like most of those kids end up playing D2 ball with limited success anyways. It’s not like we’re dropping kids to go home and play at Sam Houston where they end up being a roaring success.

On the flip side, I will say that I agree with this point for all non-football sports. Those seasons are a minimum of 16 conference games and those games don’t carry as much weight as football due to the number of games played.

If we are competing against UNI and UND for recruits after we join the MW we are in even more trouble than I described. We would them be competing even more against MAC schools in our current recruiting footprint. In the MW we would need to change our recruiting footprint to Denver, Seattle, SLC, etc. We could still do ok in Minneapolis because it's a trip for them to get anywhere in the MAC but Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois have much easier trips to road games. It does matter to many.

A very good friend has a son that transferred from a B1G school. NDSU and JMU were both very interested. He chose EKU because it was closer to home and easier for dad to see most of his games. His goal is NFL and he could get that exposure anywhere not that he gets to play the position he wants to play. This friend also consults many recruits (he was a D1 athlete and coaches many track stars who also play football and basketball). He knows what recruits value. NDSU is a great option for many but geography is a big hurdle.

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[ByeSonBusiness]

If we are competing against UNI and UND for recruits after we join the MW we are in even more trouble than I described. We would them be competing even more against MAC schools in our current recruiting footprint. In the MW we would need to change our recruiting footprint to Denver, Seattle, SLC, etc. We could still do ok in Minneapolis because it's a trip for them to get anywhere in the MAC but Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois have much easier trips to road games. It does matter to many.

A very good friend has a son that transferred from a B1G school. NDSU and JMU were both very interested. He chose EKU because it was closer to home and easier for dad to see most of his games. His goal is NFL and he could get that exposure anywhere not that he gets to play the position he wants to play. This friend also consults many recruits (he was a D1 athlete and coaches many track stars who also play football and basketball). He knows what recruits value. NDSU is a great option for many but geography is a big hurdle.

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I recall reading that some P5's were starting to focus more on winning over....MOM. Something about how dads (if they are even around) might have a preference but will let the kid make up his mind. Moms* apparently (perhaps only anecdotally) develop pretty strong opinions... Tend to focus more on the "fit" and if they trust the staff to take the reins on raising a young man.

* love them viral videos of moms getting pissed at their sons for choosing the wrong school on signing day.

[El_Chapo]

let's just go FBS ready. Have a press conference, make a
a huge scene. get publicity.

[56BISON73]

let's just go FBS ready. Have a press conference, make a
a huge scene. get publicity.

All dressed up and no place to go. You may not care acting the fool all the time but Im sure NDSU doesnt want that same look.

[ByeSonBusiness]

All dressed up and no place to go. You may not care acting the fool all the time but Im sure NDSU doesnt want that same look.

Would be pretty embarrassing to show up to prom without a date.

Gotta get a date lined up first.

[runtheoption]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si....model-favorite

Find the effing prom date. Fuck FCS.

[NDSU92]

Would be pretty embarrassing to show up to prom without a date.

Gotta get a date lined up first.

Nothing wrong with showing a little leg to hook a date though eh?