A new and better FBS thread

[Bisonator98]

The biggest problem with money is that we need to realistically double or triple our MBB budget to get real looks; maybe even quadruple it. Our MBB budget is a joke compared to the good mid-major conferences including many of the G5.

One reason our football is so good is that we pay our assistants top dollar for our level. It lets us hire top people and keep them a year or two longer before they move up. We don't have the same advantage in MBB. We're not nearly as bad as UND, but that's saying absolutely nothing; their pay is worse than bad.

This is where NDSU has a lot of work to do. Absolutely have to spend more on BB to even think of getting a conference invite. Hopefully after the IPF is completed we can start ramping up our BB budgets.

[CalBison97]

and we wont ever be hotter than right now... all these titles, beating the big boys and Wentz in the NFL.

Correct. Yet not one single P5/G5 conference invite. That is concerning.

[23Bison]

See previous post, it’s the same amount of players. It’s just more full rides.

As to your second point, go ask an Appy or Georgia Southern fan thinks of our championships.

They are impressed with our continued success and winning titles. The common opinion among their fan base is that they are very proud of their FCS past (titles and such) but they would never want to go back to the FCS from the Sun Belt. A lot of them thought that they would miss the National Title games but in all reality they do look forward to the Bowl games just as much. They get more publicity now being ranked, better football recruits, and get to host P5 schools such as Miami, Wake Forest, NC, SC. Home games against P5 schools alone makes up for the lack of a chance at a National Title. Their main goal as of now is to make it to the NY6 Bowl (Cotton Bowl).

[MankatoBison]

The biggest problem with money is that we need to realistically double or triple our MBB budget to get real looks; maybe even quadruple it. Our MBB budget is a joke compared to the good mid-major conferences including many of the G5.

One reason our football is so good is that we pay our assistants top dollar for our level. It lets us hire top people and keep them a year or two longer before they move up. We don't have the same advantage in MBB. We're not nearly as bad as UND, but that's saying absolutely nothing; their pay is worse than bad.

Good points. If you are going to move up you are going to pay the price to do so. Plus its not a one year thing. That has to be raised every year. Thats going to be a pretty big nut to crack. Fund raising is going to have to step up especially with all of the other building projects going on.

This is where NDSU has a lot of work to do. Absolutely have to spend more on BB to even think of getting a conference invite. Hopefully after the IPF is completed we can start ramping up our BB budgets.

Agreed on these points, especially if we are looking to get an All-Sports conference invite. The MBB program isnt CLOSE if we desire to take all sports to a new conference- couldnt agree more.

However the point is moot if the intention is for football only invite

[MankatoBison]

I've thought the same thing- OBVIOUSLY MWC and AAC have a much higher level of competition- but I think we could "rise" quicker in the MAC. Establish dominance faster etc. I would imagine a 10-2, 11-1 MAC conference champion is going to get more hype than a 8-4 MWC team would. That's not a pro or anti FBS comment, but that is a pro to the MAC that would be alot harder to replicated in the MWC and AAC- and of course, this is all in a fantasy world as this doesn't accomplish any of the hurdles of Jumping.

App state I think would have definitely wanted to go C-USA or AAC, but they've definitely made lemonade out of the Lemon that is the Sun-Belt conference. I'd say Sun Belt has jumped C-USA in perception of quality

[23Bison]

Head coaching salaries:
MAC 450K-800K
MWC 500K-1.8m
AAC 1.7m-5m

No idea what the assistance make.

[fmfantasy]

Boy wouldn't that Gasparilla Bowl (AAC) or Famous Idaho Potato Bowl (MAC) put NDSU on the map.

At least they aren't played in soccer stadiums... and winning a potato bowl is at least something we haven't ever done.. but that 14th out of 15 soccer stadium title against Pud U will be something special wont it...

[Professor Chaos]

Head coaching salaries:
MAC 450K-800K
MWC 500K-1.8m
AAC 1.7m-5m

No idea what the assistance make.

NDSU spent about $1.6M on football coaches salaries in 2017 (which was 3rd amongst public FCS schools behind JMU and Delaware): http://cafidatabase.knightcommission...itution_data-2

That's already pretty comparable with the average MAC coaching staff. MWC or AAC you'd be looking at two to three times that altogether for the whole staff: http://cafidatabase.knightcommission...ports/55a60946

[MankatoBison]

Power 5
Group of 5
FCS
D2
D3

NDSU is in the 3rd Tier. I was told over and over again by Gene Taylor Dean and Stony Brook AD in the media that "NDSU will always want to remain in the 2nd division of football"
[/QUOTE]

You can be adamantly pro FCS (and honestly my favorite option is for the FCS to raise their talent and prestige and STAY instead of jumping), but You are freaking delusional if you think we are in the 2nd tier. The G5 has no shot at the "national title" which means they are inherently at a different. And we are inherently at a different level than the G5.

If you cant agree to this basic fact, than you dont belong in the conversation- at all. You either have to prove that the G5 and the P5 are exactly the same (which is hilarious since they are so vastly different that they have different names, lol), or prove that the FCS is exactly the same as G5.

We aint 2nd tier guys. Talent wise, we are arguably tier 1. but we are tier 3. Tier 3 isnt necessarily bad- but we are certainly in the 3rd tier.

[Professor Chaos]

You can be adamantly pro FCS (and honestly my favorite option is for the FCS to raise their talent and prestige and STAY instead of jumping), but You are freaking delusional if you think we are in the 2nd tier. The G5 has no shot at the "national title" which means they are inherently at a different. And we are inherently at a different level than the G5.

If you cant agree to this basic fact, than you dont belong in the conversation- at all. You either have to prove that the G5 and the P5 are exactly the same (which is hilarious since they are so vastly different that they have different names, lol), or prove that the FCS is exactly the same as G5.

We aint 2nd tier guys. Talent wise, we are arguably tier 1. but we are tier 3. Tier 3 isnt necessarily bad- but we are certainly in the 3rd tier.

I think the Bison are 5th tier.

Tier 1: SEC/Big Ten/Clemson/Big 12
Tier 2: Rest of the ACC/Pac 12
Tier 3: AAC/MWC
Tier 4: CUSA/Sun Belt/MAC
Tier 5: MVFC/Big Sky/CAA

Wanna fight about it???