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    Quote Originally Posted by kab1one View Post
    Maybe its a non issue for the university at this time. Where does the money come from? Where does the conference come from?

    As for money. Things are way different locally and regionally with discretionary income floating around. So be it at the donor level or the state level. The ability to raise money will be difficult to say the least.

    Conference. Where are you going to play? Although the power conference(s) have seemed to calm down, there still exists the opportunity that more change is in the future. Which if NDSU were in the FBS and the new guy, they could be left out.

    Maybe current spot is working. Look at the attention the school gets whether from the FCS football, making the big dance in basketball, softball and track and field success. Maybe that means the needs of the university as they try to grow other programs in addition to the football program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab1one View Post
    Maybe its a non issue for the university at this time. Where does the money come from? Where does the conference come from?

    As for money. Things are way different locally and regionally with discretionary income floating around. So be it at the donor level or the state level. The ability to raise money will be difficult to say the least.

    Conference. Where are you going to play? Although the power conference(s) have seemed to calm down, there still exists the opportunity that more change is in the future. Which if NDSU were in the FBS and the new guy, they could be left out.

    Maybe current spot is working. Look at the attention the school gets whether from the FCS football, making the big dance in basketball, softball and track and field success. Maybe that means the needs of the university as they try to grow other programs in addition to the football program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab1one View Post
    Maybe its a non issue for the university at this time. Where does the money come from? (BIG DANCE/CFPlayoff & Mountain West TV contracts) Where does the conference come from? Mountain West

    As for money. Things are way different locally and regionally with discretionary income floating around. So be it at the donor level or the state level. The ability to raise money will be difficult to say the least. (Get a real fundraiser at the helm)

    Conference. Where are you going to play? (MWC) Although the power conference(s) have seemed to calm down, there still exists the opportunity that more change is in the future. Which if NDSU were in the FBS and the new guy, they could be left out.

    Maybe current spot is working. Look at the attention the school gets whether from the FCS football, making the big dance in basketball, softball and track and field success. Maybe that means the needs of the university as they try to grow other programs in addition to the football program.

    Sometimes its okay to be the big fish in the pond you are.
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    Bison to MWC - Links?
    Am always interested in reading of interest the MWC has in NDSU.

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    NDSU TO FBS. HAVEN'T WE WON ENOUGH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Chapo View Post
    Where this gets really old lakes is you throw this out, but you have no mechanism nor in all likelihood does the university have a way to fund. Even if everyone like you aggressively increased team maker contributions 50%. so in your case going from $100 to $150/year. You don't even make a dent in what is needed to move anywhere.


    Now realize to, the additional $20 million lets say to move up is hard to come by, the next issue you need to solve is facilities.

    How do you compete with this?

    https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_ro...9b0f1595c.html

    Don't say this is an extreme example cause its the SEC. Wyoming did a large upgrade to football facilities, Northwestern dropped over $100 million.

    So even if you double your contribution to $200/year. We are outclassed.

    What say you?

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    It'd cost NDSU $8-10 million more per year to move up with all sports. even less with Football Only membership.

    college football playoff money = $2-3 million per mwc/mac school
    Big Dance money = $2-3 million per school
    Tv contract money = $2-3 mllion per school

    That jumps NDSU from $20 million budget up to $26-27 million range and right in the middle of the mwc/mac
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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Chapo View Post
    It'd cost NDSU $8-10 million more per year to move up with all sports. even less with Football Only membership.

    college football playoff money = $2-3 million per mwc/mac school
    Big Dance money = $2-3 million per school
    Tv contract money = $2-3 mllion per school

    That jumps NDSU from $20 million budget up to $26-27 million range and right in the middle of the mwc/mac
    Wow... a quick fact check shows that there may not be one single accurate item in your entire post.

    It'd cost NDSU $8-10 million more per year to move up with all sports.
    According to the USA Today's database NDSU's budget in '16/'17 (the last year I could find data for) was roughly $27.3M. The average budget for MAC schools that year was $32.1 but for MWC schools it was $43.9M (so I guess you got that one half right).

    college football playoff money = $2-3 million per mwc/mac school
    For the 2017 bowl season (couldn't find 2018 numbers) there was roughly $81.3M from CFP money earmarked for the G5 that was allegedly distributed equally among the conferences (link). That means about $16.2M per conference which would be $1.35M per MAC school or $1.5M over per MWC school if they allocated every penny of it to the member schools.

    Big Dance money = $2-3 million per school
    As of the 2013 tournament the MWC NCAA Tourney TV money share was $6.6M (for the whole conference) and the MAC's share was $2.2M (link). I realize that's 6 years old now but those revenues haven't gone of the 6 to 15 times they'd need to in order to hit those amounts you referenced.

    Tv contract money = $2-3 mllion per school
    While the deal they're on expires in the summer of 2020 the current MWC TV deal with CBS Sports pays out $1.1M per school (link). MAC schools make $670K per school from their ESPN TV deal (link).

    That jumps NDSU from $20 million budget up to $26-27 million range and right in the middle of the mwc/mac
    So adding those 3 line items to NDSU's $27.3M budget (and I'll be generous and say NCAA tourney payouts are double now for those conferences compared to what they were in 2013) that would add $3.8M to NDSU's theoretical MWC budget. That would put them at $31.1M which is dead last (although close to San Jose St at $31.3M). Adding the $2.2M to NDSU's theoretical MAC budget would put them at $29.4M or between 8th and 9th out of the current 12 teams in the MAC.

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    Those numbers at https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/ really tell you all you need to know about how a typical MAC/MWC athletic department is funded. On average MAC schools are getting about $21.6M in "revenue" from student fees and school funds ($8.7M on average from student fees and $12.9M on average from school funds). For the MWC it's $20.1M on average in "revenue" from student fees and school funds ($4.6M in student fees and $15.5M in school funds).

    For the 2017 year that those numbers from the other conferences came from NDSU had $7.9M in revenue from those two areas; a little over $1.4M in student fees and about $6.5M in school funds. Good luck squeezing more out of those oranges especially to the point that it would take to be at the MAC or MWC level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Chaos View Post
    Wow... a quick fact check shows that there may not be one single accurate item in your entire post.

    It'd cost NDSU $8-10 million more per year to move up with all sports.
    According to the USA Today's database NDSU's budget in '16/'17 (the last year I could find data for) was roughly $27.3M. The average budget for MAC schools that year was $32.1 but for MWC schools it was $43.9M (so I guess you got that one half right).

    college football playoff money = $2-3 million per mwc/mac school
    For the 2017 bowl season (couldn't find 2018 numbers) there was roughly $81.3M from CFP money earmarked for the G5 that was allegedly distributed equally among the conferences (link). That means about $16.2M per conference which would be $1.35M per MAC school or $1.5M over per MWC school if they allocated every penny of it to the member schools.

    Big Dance money = $2-3 million per school
    As of the 2013 tournament the MWC NCAA Tourney TV money share was $6.6M (for the whole conference) and the MAC's share was $2.2M (link). I realize that's 6 years old now but those revenues haven't gone of the 6 to 15 times they'd need to in order to hit those amounts you referenced.

    Tv contract money = $2-3 mllion per school
    While the deal they're on expires in the summer of 2020 the current MWC TV deal with CBS Sports pays out $1.1M per school (link). MAC schools make $670K per school from their ESPN TV deal (link).

    That jumps NDSU from $20 million budget up to $26-27 million range and right in the middle of the mwc/mac
    So adding those 3 line items to NDSU's $27.3M budget (and I'll be generous and say NCAA tourney payouts are double now for those conferences compared to what they were in 2013) that would add $3.8M to NDSU's theoretical MWC budget. That would put them at $31.1M which is dead last (although close to San Jose St at $31.3M). Adding the $2.2M to NDSU's theoretical MAC budget would put them at $29.4M or between 8th and 9th out of the current 12 teams in the MAC.
    Nice work but there is only one logical response to the constant "move up" "FBS" "we need beer hundreds of thousands of dollars being left on the table" daily drumbeat:

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