A new and better FBS thread

[bisonaudit]

Yes, I’m sure the B10, SEC and B12 will all see it that way lol

As if they give a shit about automatic bids. Just add two more at large to the basketball tournament and they’ll be fine.

[taper]

What if this pro/rel talk is a sign of a much bigger problem(for OSU/WSU at least). After this year PAC has no media contract and MWC has 2 years left at ~$4M from CBS and FOX. Both those companies just shelled out a ton of money for the PAC schools that joined other P5s. MWC doesn't have pro-rata, what if CBS/FOX don't want to pay anything for OSU/WSU? They're under no obligation to do so. They're probably fine with them joining the MWC and don't care how the money is split up, just won't increase the pot.
OSU/WSU can't bear the embarrassment of joining a G5 for $0 and no MWC member is going to take a pay cut to add them. This pro/rel idea is a way to hide the pay cut.

[Sun Bison]

The real question is what happens to the Wazzu flag at gameday after this season!

[MWC]

What if this pro/rel talk is a sign of a much bigger problem(for OSU/WSU at least). After this year PAC has no media contract and MWC has 2 years left at ~$4M from CBS and FOX. Both those companies just shelled out a ton of money for the PAC schools that joined other P5s. MWC doesn't have pro-rata, what if CBS/FOX don't want to pay anything for OSU/WSU? They're under no obligation to do so. They're probably fine with them joining the MWC and don't care how the money is split up, just won't increase the pot.
OSU/WSU can't bear the embarrassment of joining a G5 for $0 and no MWC member is going to take a pay cut to add them. This pro/rel idea is a way to hide the pay cut.

Even if Osu and WSU were to be invited to the B12 they are probably still going to get far less money because they are not particularly valuable properties. They would take a reduced slice for sure. SMU certainly did. But, they are unlikely to get a P5 spot. That means they will be taking a massive cut on their tv share. For most if not all the MW the current tv deal is less than 10 percent of their total revenue in a given year.

The one thing both the twins have going for them. If and when they joined the MW they would have far more cash on hand to work with than any MW school. The distribution for the MW is around 6 million bucks per fiscal year. This last year of the Pac 12 will likely net the twins about 40 million bucks each just from the distribution alone. If they convince schools to pay large exit fees to join them, they will still have more money even if the new tv deal pays a bit more than they could get in the MW.

If they join the MW they do so under the current deal. If they merge they do so under the current deal. If they form some sort of relegation conference they do so under the same CBS/Fox deal.

That is why they are also exploring remaining a 2 school conference for the 2 year grace period or becoming independent for football and house their OLY sports elsewhere..Probably the Big West.

They are in a serious pickle. They really don't have much leverage at all.

[BigHorns]

Even if Osu and WSU were to be invited to the B12 they are probably still going to get far less money because they are not particularly valuable properties. They would take a reduced slice for sure. SMU certainly did. But, they are unlikely to get a P5 spot. That means they will be taking a massive cut on their tv share. For most if not all the MW the current tv deal is less than 10 percent of their total revenue in a given year.

The one thing both the twins have going for them. If and when they joined the MW they would have far more cash on hand to work with than any MW school. The distribution for the MW is around 6 million bucks per fiscal year. This last year of the Pac 12 will likely net the twins about 40 million bucks each just from the distribution alone. If they convince schools to pay large exit fees to join them, they will still have more money even if the new tv deal pays a bit more than they could get in the MW.

If they join the MW they do so under the current deal. If they merge they do so under the current deal. If they form some sort of relegation conference they do so under the same CBS/Fox deal.

That is why they are also exploring remaining a 2 school conference for the 2 year grace period or becoming independent for football and house their OLY sports elsewhere..Probably the Big West.

They are in a serious pickle. They really don't have much leverage at all.

From a media deal perspective, it certainly does seem WSU/OSU don't have much leverage.

The other P4 conferences already said "no thanks", including the B12.
AAC in theory said "no thanks" as well, though not sure if that was mutual or an AAC call.

The leverage PAC-2 has left is whatever the PAC conference assets are worth, plus the potential ability to poach other schools to join them. Other than that, they will have to negotiate with MWC for whatever they can get.

[tjamz]

The reason, I don't see this generating enough MW votes to make it happen is because this is really just a scheme to eliminate exit fees. Once you create 2 separate conferences the charade ends.

That's why I ask who gets to pick who goes where to start the process. What will be the criteria for the placement?

For the first year, probably the previous years head-to-head records and common opponents and the AP/Coaches CFB rankings. Probably some Sagarin-ish type rating system as well as tie-breakers.

[TAILG8R]

For the first year, probably the previous years head-to-head records and common opponents and the AP/Coaches CFB rankings. Probably some Sagarin-ish type rating system as well as tie-breakers.

So your saying NDSU will be in the top conference, go it.

[heffray]

So your saying NDSU will be in the top conference, go it.

Fuck that. Make us earn it. Make us prove what we’ve been saying all along.

[TAILG8R]

Fuck that. Make us earn it. Make us prove what we’ve been saying all along.

Oh I would fully expect any FCS team invited would have to start at the lowest level. But that’s ok, it would only last one season.


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[Professor Chaos]

Oh I would fully expect any FCS team invited would have to start at the lowest level. But that’s ok, it would only last one season.


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Not gonna lie... if (and hopefully when) the Bison move up I'm going to miss that feeling on consecutive weekends in December when you know the season is over if the boys lose but it only gets bigger and better if they win. I really couldn't think of a scenario in FBS-land short of that once-in-a-decade (at most) opportunity that a G5 team has a chance to make the CFP if they win their conference title that this could be replicated. This model makes it so practically every school who is invested in football year-in-year-out is playing these types of games late in the regular season every year.