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[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Complicating all of this is the message that people like Haley and Herder keep pushing – that G5 and top of FCS will merge into a new second tier
It's a cool idea, but ...

Show me one single piece of evidence that any G5 conference will willingly separate from the P5 at any point in the next decade
This thinking just offers fuel to the stay-FCS crowd, IMO

[NDSU92]

Complicating all of this is the message that people like Haley and Herder keep pushing – that G5 and top of FCS will merge into a new second tier
It's a cool idea, but ...

Show me one single piece of evidence that any G5 conference will willingly separate from the P5 at any point in the next decade
This thinking just offers fuel to the stay-FCS crowd, IMO

It’s just classic “what I want to happen” thinking so people do whatever they can to rationalize it.

Rubethought

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

It’s just classic “what I want to happen” thinking so people do whatever they can to rationalize it.

Rubethought

Agree

It's similar to the argument that the MVFC can just 'move up'. Would be wonderful, but ...

If the PAC dies, the overwhelming odds are that there are then 9 FBS conferences instead of 10 so that each can make more money off the new CFP

Money is driving all this folks, and as much as we wish it wasn't, it ain't gonna stop

[MWC]

I agree that is the most likely target but $4m/yr is going to be a very tough pill to swallow.

I don't care what Oregon State and Wazzu have to swallow..The MW didn't break up the Pac. Those folks did it to themselves.

However, a couple of points. We don't know if any of the Pac 4 has any interest in joining the MW.

There could be a merger of sorts but that is really only attractive if Stanford is in the mix

In the unlikely event of a merger, it would almost certainly be under the Pac brand and the MW would dissolve.

To dissolve it would take 9 votes and it seems unlikely that would happen. The Pac people surely don't want all of the MW schools. Nobody is going to vote themselves out of a conference.

Stanford and Cal are trying to figure something out and they could ride out independence for football and house their other sports somewhere.

Wazzu and OSU have a tougher row to hoe. The MW would happily offer them a home but only...and this is a big only..CBS and Fox agree to open up the tv contract to pay for those 2 schools.

This is something they wouldn't do when the MW was seeking to add, SMU Rice Tulsa and UTSA. The problem for the Pac 2 is in reality they are 2 small market schools in the eyes of providers.

College sports on their best days was unseemly as hell..Now it is rapidly moving towards sordid. What a mess.

[daddy daycare]

Complicating all of this is the message that people like Haley and Herder keep pushing – that G5 and top of FCS will merge into a new second tier
It's a cool idea, but ...

Show me one single piece of evidence that any G5 conference will willingly separate from the P5 at any point in the next decade
This thinking just offers fuel to the stay-FCS crowd, IMO

I think the idea is that P5 (or 3 or 4) will branch themselves off and form their own system and give the G5 no other choice. Which at this rate, seems like a realistic scenario.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

I think the idea is that P5 (or 3 or 4) will branch themselves off and form their own system and give the G5 no other choice. Which at this rate, seems like a realistic scenario.

Obviously that is the "idea" - Show me any evidence that it is actually moving that way

You have the SEC/B1G as the P2, sure
Then there are (still) 3 other "power" conferences
Most of those schools will not get into the P2, and the P2 will never willingly shed the NCAA banner (and the NCAA has no balls, apparently)

Sorry, but they will drag the G5 along, especially if they stop playing FCS (which seems much more likely and imminent than any hypothetical split)

You're just perpetuating the myth

I sure as hell hope we can stop talking about this when the season starts

[heffray]

Obviously that is the "idea" - Show me any evidence that it is actually moving that way

You have the SEC/B1G as the P2, sure
Then there are (still) 3 other "power" conferences
Most of those schools will not get into the P2, and the P2 will never willingly shed the NCAA banner (and the NCAA has no balls, apparently)

Sorry, but they will drag the G5 along, especially if they stop playing FCS (which seems much more likely and imminent than any hypothetical split)

You're just perpetuating the myth

I sure as hell hope we can stop talking about this when the season starts

I think the B12 is positioning itself pretty well to remain in the conversation. I think a P4 system is more likely at this point. Curious what happens to the expanded 12-team CFP if there are only 4 conferences. Seems like you could whittle it back down to a 4-team playoff of the 4 conference champs. I would love that.

[daddy daycare]

Obviously that is the "idea" - Show me any evidence that it is actually moving that way

You have the SEC/B1G as the P2, sure
Then there are (still) 3 other "power" conferences
Most of those schools will not get into the P2, and the P2 will never willingly shed the NCAA banner (and the NCAA has no balls, apparently)

Sorry, but they will drag the G5 along, especially if they stop playing FCS (which seems much more likely and imminent than any hypothetical split)

You're just perpetuating the myth

I sure as hell hope we can stop talking about this when the season starts

Perpetuating the myth. OK. I personally could care less what happens, just stating what seems to be the most obvious at this point. I could tell you a school that doesn't appear to be on anyone's list at the moment but it might hurt your feelers...

Sure looks like the big boys give a shit about the G5 at the moment, doesn't it?

[NDSUstudent]

Complicating all of this is the message that people like Haley and Herder keep pushing – that G5 and top of FCS will merge into a new second tier
It's a cool idea, but ...

Show me one single piece of evidence that any G5 conference will willingly separate from the P5 at any point in the next decade
This thinking just offers fuel to the stay-FCS crowd, IMO

Yeah, I am sick of it as well...the G5 has no use for the FCS, they can take what they want if they like but they don't need the FCS or the NCAA to start their own playoff. Outside of a handful of schools nobody in the FCS brings any value to them, most of the FCS is just dead weight.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Perpetuating the myth. OK. I personally could care less what happens, just stating what seems to be the most obvious at this point. I could tell you a school that doesn't appear to be on anyone's list at the moment but it might hurt your feelers...

Sure looks like the big boys give a shit about the G5 at the moment, doesn't it?

Then why the fuck are you here, other than to shit on NDSU?

And no, you'll never hurt my feelings. At the end of the day, I will happily support NDSU wherever they reside

and you just contradicted yourself