A new and better FBS thread

[heffray]

It obviously matters. Glad you bought tickets

If people are gong to dis on the school and program for not moving up, its fair to ask how much they support the program

Or we could just assume that most fans here want what they feel is best for “the program” and do what they can within their means to support it.

[BigHorns]

Wait, what?! When did this happen?

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison...ctor-denies-it

NDSU admin on the record said that it didn't, but in interviews has also clearly stated we have NO interest there.
On the flip side, the schools CUSA would call up next are well known and published, its the WAC and ASun schools. They aren't trying to expand at the moment, it would reduce their per school revenues even more.

It's logical neither party has much interest, there's just not enough revenue there to cover the travel. Anyone paying attention knows CUSA is looking to minimize travel and expenses and stay in the Southeast. We would make less than half of our current media deal, it would be a pay cut for NDSU.

People banging this drum just can't accept that travel costs do matter to the bottom G5.
The level of competition would also be worse than MVFC, a quick look at Sagarin shows this.

Compared to CUSA, MAC would be a homerun.

[NDSU92]

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison...ctor-denies-it

NDSU admin on the record said that it didn't, but in interviews has also clearly stated we have NO interest there.
On the flip side, the schools CUSA would call up next are well known and published, its the WAC and ASun schools. They aren't trying to expand at the moment, it would reduce their per school revenues even more.

It's logical neither party has much interest, there's just not enough revenue there to cover the travel. Anyone paying attention knows CUSA is looking to minimize travel and expenses and stay in the Southeast. We would make less than half of our current media deal, it would be a pay cut for NDSU.

People banging this drum just can't accept that travel costs do matter to the bottom G5.
The level of competition would also be worse than MVFC, a quick look at Sagarin shows this.

Compared to CUSA, MAC would be a homerun.

The MAC will never ever offer us unless shit really falls apart. It is a bus league thru and thru with other bus-able options should they need them.

Hell, I’m just happy our administration finally isnt afraid of admitting that they’re looking at FBS and would be interested if the offer came. Hope they didn’t lose too much sleep over giving the fanbase an ounce of hope.

[HerdBot]

Oh, all the money including playoff credits are split between the Pac 4. Thats 105 million per team. If anyone thinks they will bail to the mountain west to earn 4 million per year, they are nuts. They will simply add 2 more teams (to get a waiver) from any conference. They will have an easy path to the CFP, unlike a G5.

Them when the MW TV deal is done in 2025, they will poach them with no exit fee.

[bisonaudit]

Oh, all the money including playoff credits are split between the Pac 4. Thats 105 million per team. If anyone thinks they will bail to the mountain west to earn 4 million per year, they are nuts. They will simply add 2 more teams (to get a waiver) from any conference. They will have an easy path to the CFP, unlike a G5.

Them when the MW TV deal is done in 2025, they will poach them with no exit fee.

How sure are you that the winner of a six team PAC would be one of the 6 highest ranked conference champions?

[BigHorns]

Oh, all the money including playoff credits are split between the Pac 4. Thats 105 million per team. If anyone thinks they will bail to the mountain west to earn 4 million per year, they are nuts. They will simply add 2 more teams (to get a waiver) from any conference. They will have an easy path to the CFP, unlike a G5.

Them when the MW TV deal is done in 2025, they will poach them with no exit fee.

This is entirely possible.

Something to remember is that about a week ago there was talk of PAC expansion and all being well.
Friday morning, reputable reporters were saying the PAC was sticking together and signing the apple deal
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/statu...865481216?s=20

By that evening the SHTF, and it was all falling apart.

The PAC-4 clearly got caught with their pants down when everyone else ran for the exits.
It may take them a few weeks to figure things out, but these are still schools with more power and prestige than anyone in the G5.

We will see if they have the guts and pride to rebuild it, or just take the first exit they find too.

[BigHorns]

How sure are you that the winner of a six team PAC would be one of the 6 highest ranked conference champions?

Ideally, they would add 4 top notch G5, and then figure things out from there.
It should be #5 if they can poach the top G5 schools from AAC and MWC.
They would have to screw it up pretty bad to drop below #6.

If the best targets say no, that would change the picture.
But the Pac-4 would just go Indy before they add someone like Kennesaw or FIU.

Maybe they wouldn't have Notre Dame status, but they would still get respect.

[Hammersmith]

Wait, what?! When did this happen?

It didn't really. When CUSA was on the edge of imploding, they asked a bunch of schools(20+?) if they were interested. Reading between the lines, NDSU might have expressed interest in football-only membership, but gave a pretty hard pass on being a full member.

But it needs a little more context. It was pretty clear at the time that CUSA was not offering membership to those they asked, they were just gauging interest. They were trying to put together a list to see what combos might work. They had a short list of real contenders they wanted, but were also looking at what other schools around each of those contenders might also come along if asked. In our case, the critical member was Missouri State. If the Bears had been interested, then CUSA would have looked north to SDSU and NDSU to see if they wanted to form a new geographic wing to the conference. But MSU wasn't interested, so it didn't matter what NDSU answered; there wasn't going to be an invite. It's even possible NDSU admin knew MSU's position before they even said anything to CUSA.

[Professorbum]

It didn't really. When CUSA was on the edge of imploding, they asked a bunch of schools(20+?) if they were interested. Reading between the lines, NDSU might have expressed interest in football-only membership, but gave a pretty hard pass on being a full member.

But it needs a little more context. It was pretty clear at the time that CUSA was not offering membership to those they asked, they were just gauging interest. They were trying to put together a list to see what combos might work. They had a short list of real contenders they wanted, but were also looking at what other schools around each of those contenders might also come along if asked. In our case, the critical member was Missouri State. If the Bears had been interested, then CUSA would have looked north to SDSU and NDSU to see if they wanted to form a new geographic wing to the conference. But MSU wasn't interested, so it didn't matter what NDSU answered; there wasn't going to be an invite. It's even possible NDSU admin knew MSU's position before they even said anything to CUSA.

Sorry but no. The context you provide is interesting supposition, but not necessary for understanding the bottom line. Ndsu was clear they were not interested in CUSA. It was reported that NDSU told CUSA that. I complained about our short-sightedness at the time. Talk of FBS lifeboats and all that. People here on the board rejoiced as you all wanted no part of CUSA. “MVFC is better.” “Travel would suck.” “No media deal in place” Fine, whatever. But you can’t now downplay that there was an opportunity. Missouri State had nothing to do with it. CUSA was desperate. No one seriously doubts NDSU could have gone to CUSA if they had wanted to.

[taper]

Oh, all the money including playoff credits are split between the Pac 4. Thats 105 million per team. If anyone thinks they will bail to the mountain west to earn 4 million per year, they are nuts. They will simply add 2 more teams (to get a waiver) from any conference. They will have an easy path to the CFP, unlike a G5.

Them when the MW TV deal is done in 2025, they will poach them with no exit fee.

Wait, where is this $105M x 4 coming from?
FBS conference needs 8 full members, not 6 like FCS.
The MWC exit fees are in the bylaws, not a media deal GOR. The only way to avoid exit fees is getting enough votes to dissolve the conference, which probably won't happen.
Conferences are hard to kill but the PAC seems to have found a way.