A new and better FBS thread

[MWC]

Right, but neither does Nevada. It’s just located in a better spot for the conference than NDSU. That’s my point.

Nevada was added to the MW because the conference needed something. When BYU and Utah left, the conference only had 7 schools left with only 4 only sponsoring baseball. NV and Fresno got them to 9 total and 6 baseball schools...Conferences are about more than just football. Hawaii was added as an affiliate because they offered subsidies to house their football. They pay subsidies to the Big West too. They also brought a Bowl game.

Utah State and San Jose State were invited when SDSU and BSU left for the Big East. Same problem. It dropped the olympic sports side to just 7 members. The conference had a need. When the defectors returned they went to 12 for football and 11 for olympic sports..There is no need to add anything at the moment. Maybe down the road..

[NDSU92]

Nevada was added to the MW because the conference needed something. When BYU and Utah left, the conference only had 7 schools left with only 4 only sponsoring baseball. NV and Fresno got them to 9 total and 6 baseball schools...Conferences are about more than just football. Hawaii was added as an affiliate because they offered subsidies to house their football. They pay subsidies to the Big West too. They also brought a Bowl game.

Utah State and San Jose State were invited when SDSU and BSU left for the Big East. Same problem. It dropped the olympic sports side to just 7 members. The conference had a need. When the defectors returned they went to 12 for football and 11 for olympic sports..There is no need to add anything at the moment. Maybe down the road..

Yep, which is why most here are talking about potential events that would catalyze the need for the MW to add teams. Such as BSU and SDSU leaving. Or a major shakeup across all conferences.

[MWC]

Yep, which is why most here are talking about potential events that would catalyze the need for the MW to add teams. Such as BSU and SDSU leaving. Or a major shakeup across all conferences.

While it is possible that BSU and SDSU would leave, that doesn't necessarily mean there would be a need to add. There would still be 10 football and 9 oly sports schools. The conference has done away with divisions so no need for 12..

[El_Chapo]

guy from CUSA throws out a scenario. NDSU/SDSU/UNI/MONTANA IN CUSA

[Hammersmith]

Rather than continuing to argue in circles, maybe someone wants to discuss a little bit of new news about what might come out of the DI transformational committee late this year or early next year. (note, everything in this post would apply to ALL DI, not just FBS)

From Matt Brown of Extra Points (posted to CSNBBS):

Topic: What will be the result of the Division 1 Transformation Committee (re: membership)?

Reply from MattBrownEP

This would be my best, educated guess, at the moment:

* The committee won't make membership recommendations until Q1 of 2023.

* Schools will have a three-year waiver period to get into compliance of new recommendations. Nobody is getting booted tomorrow.

* Schools will need to commit to sponsoring somewhere between 18-20 NCAA sponsored sports, NOT including FBS football.

* Most sport-specific scholarship caps and staffing caps will be lifted, as conferences will decide how many scholarships to offer per sport.

* Benchmarks about stadium size and attendance will be removed

* Schools will need to commit to sponsoring X number of scholarships across all sports, unless they get an Ivy waiver

* Schools will need to commit to maintaining a certain ratio of coaches to scholarship athletes, trainers to scholarship athletes, mental health professionals to scholarship athletes AND academic support specialists. The increase in STAFFING will be a bigger financial lift than the requirement to sponsor additional sports.

* In an effort to get around antitrust issues, these guidelines will be set up in a way for schools to "self select" which levels to participate in, rather than entire conferences getting booted.

* In a related move, I believe the NCAA men's and women's basketball tournaments will expand, and that not every conference will be guaranteed championship access to every NCAA sponsored sport.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-949656.html

https://twitter.com/MattBrownEP
https://www.extrapointsmb.com/

[Hammerhead]

Settlers thought North Dakota would be on par with states like Pennsylvania for population. Once the Catholic church realized that wasn't going to happen they moved one of the cathedrals from Jamestown to Fargo.

It’s simple math, really. Wyoming was smart enough to just have one. If MT, ND, and SD were so inclined, there would be no discussion, and NDSU would be FBS long ago.

It’s a puzzle, really, why such small states would model their university systems after such large ones.

[The_Sicatoka]

... and you don't play all the sports the MW requires.

That's a detail that matters.
What sports are missing?

[MWC]

I believe all FBS schools are required to sponsor 16 sports but it appears there is some flexibility for sports that have both a woman's team and a man's...i.e tennis, golf etc..I also think there may have been some adjustment during the Covid.

Currently, NV sponsors 6 men's programs and 9 women's that have both genders in 4 sports..Golf, tennis, cross country and basketball

Football and Baseball are men only sports.

I don't know what sports you do or don't sponsor but it appears you have 14. It doesn't seem like it would too onerous to add 1 or 2 more but you would be required to. There is flexibility to which sports you add. That would be up to you

However, were you to be invited as an affiliate, football only member the MW would not care how many sports you carry otherwise. The NCAA might.

As a footnote..NV may be adding skiing back to the mix soon. That was a sport they had before. They will have both genders for that too. That will be cool..

[taper]

I believe all FBS schools are required to sponsor 16 sports but it appears there is some flexibility for sports that have both a woman's team and a man's...i.e tennis, golf etc..I also think there may have been some adjustment during the Covid.

Currently, NV sponsors 6 men's programs and 9 women's that have both genders in 4 sports..Golf, tennis, cross country and basketball

Football and Baseball are men only sports.

I don't know what sports you do or don't sponsor but it appears you have 14. It doesn't seem like it would too onerous to add 1 or 2 more but you would be required to. There is flexibility to which sports you add. That would be up to you

However, were you to be invited as an affiliate, football only member the MW would not care how many sports you carry otherwise. The NCAA might.

As a footnote..NV may be adding skiing back to the mix soon. That was a sport they had before. They will have both genders for that too. That will be cool..

Hold on here, how can you possibly explain this? Claiming we don't sponsor the right sports but didn't bother to look up what we have?

[The_Sicatoka]

NDSU sponsors 16 sports.

Indoor T&F and Outdoor T&F count separately.
Men's and women's squads count separately.
Add in CC and that's six teams (3M/3W).

Signed,
NCAA rules geek only exceeded by Bisonville's Hammersmith