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[WhoRepsTheLurker]

https://www.thedickinsonpress.com/op...p-a-little-bit

I like this guy. He doesn’t really answer Mcfeely, but the questions are all loaded, and Cook does a good job of stepping around the mines and filling space with positive stuff.

Regarding enrollment, I’m hearing that freshman class is up yet again. Grad students too. But that’s just word of mouth, so we’ll have to wait and see.

But in the bigger picture, the funding model ND uses now is fatally flawed. The real issue is that ND has way too many – and I mean way too many – schools for its population.

Here’s a metaphor that sums it up. Suppose a guy has 11 trees on his lot and they are starting to compete for space and water. The ND model would stipulate that he cut a few feet off each one each year. But what’s going to happen? They’re all going to die. The correct answer is to remove a few to let the bigger ones survive and thrive.

[El_Chapo]

https://www.thedickinsonpress.com/op...p-a-little-bit

I like this guy. He doesn’t really answer Mcfeely, but the questions are all loaded, and Cook does a good job of stepping around the mines and filling space with positive stuff.

Regarding enrollment, I’m hearing that freshman class is up yet again. Grad students too. But that’s just word of mouth, so we’ll have to wait and see.

But in the bigger picture, the funding model ND uses now is fatally flawed. The real issue is that ND has way too many – and I mean way too many – schools for its population.

Here’s a metaphor that sums it up. Suppose a guy has 11 trees on his lot and they are starting to compete for space and water. The ND model would stipulate that he cut a few feet off each one each year. But what’s going to happen? They’re all going to die. The correct answer is to remove a few to let the bigger ones survive and thrive.

What ND colleges should be shut down & no one would notice outside of 100-200 people?

[NDSU_grad]

What ND colleges should be shut down & no one would notice outside of 100-200 people?

Either Mayville or Valley City should be closed. And maybe one of either Lake Region or Bottineau. This will never happen though.

[taper]

Either Mayville or Valley City should be closed. And maybe one of either Lake Region or Bottineau. This will never happen though.

The problem is most of them are in the state constitution and can't be closed without an amendment. Agree that Mayville really needs to be merged into VCSU. Dickinson is a degree mill and an embarrassment to the rest of the system. I don't know enough about the junior colleges, but in general there's a nationwide shortage in the trades so I'd lean towards keeping them. If one's a lot worse than the others I'm ok with it going.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

The problem is most of them are in the state constitution and can't be closed without an amendment. Agree that Mayville really needs to be merged into VCSU. Dickinson is a degree mill and an embarrassment to the rest of the system. I don't know enough about the junior colleges, but in general there's a nationwide shortage in the trades so I'd lean towards keeping them. If one's a lot worse than the others I'm ok with it going.

I would ask why this happened. That would give you a reference point for how to fix the underlying problem.

[NDSU92]

The problem is most of them are in the state constitution and can't be closed without an amendment. Agree that Mayville really needs to be merged into VCSU. Dickinson is a degree mill and an embarrassment to the rest of the system. I don't know enough about the junior colleges, but in general there's a nationwide shortage in the trades so I'd lean towards keeping them. If one's a lot worse than the others I'm ok with it going.

Consolidation and pooling of resources, instead of having 9 mediocre non-universities we should have 3 outstanding ones...

Not to mention the hypocrisy of super conservative ND lawmakers who 1) Hate gov't waste and 2) Hate spending money on higher-ed, breaking their necks to keep zombie schools open on the public dime

[El_Chapo]

Consolidation and pooling of resources, instead of having 9 mediocre non-universities we should have 3 outstanding ones...

Not to mention the hypocrisy of super conservative ND lawmakers who 1) Hate gov't waste and 2) Hate spending money on higher-ed, breaking their necks to keep zombie schools open on the public dime

Valley City absorbs into NDSU
Mayville absorbs into und
dickinson absorbs into bismarck

that would help

I always love the wasted money to "shrink wrap" the valley city baseball bus or dickinson st "basketball" bus. just think of the money saved dumping 2-3 schools.

[oldmantutters]

Does the constitution specify that each of those schools be a separate entity? Or just that there be an institution of higher education in those cities?

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[taper]

Does the constitution specify that each of those schools be a separate entity? Or just that there be an institution of higher education in those cities?

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https://ndlegis.gov/constit/a08.pdf

Section 6.
1. A board of higher education, to be officially known as the state board of higher
education, is hereby created for the control and administration of the following state
educational institutions, to wit:
a. The state university and school of mines, at Grand Forks, with their substations.
b. The state agricultural college and experiment station, at Fargo, with their
substations.
c. The school of science, at Wahpeton.
d. The state normal schools and teachers colleges, at Valley City, Mayville, Minot,
and Dickinson.
e. The school of forestry, at Bottineau.
f. And such other state institutions of higher education as may hereafter be
established.

I suppose you could try to argue that control and admin of a school includes closing it, but good luck with that.

As for Lurker's point, I believe this is fallout from the 1910's-20's political interference that caused NDSU to lose accreditation and the first ever recall of a state governor.

[El_Chapo]

Bill Connelly
@ESPN_BillC

in regards to NDSU "You make your intentions known, and then you get invited. There is almost certainly at LEAST one conference that would send out an invitation if it was told the invitation would be accepted"

DING DING DING we have a WINNER and its from an ESPN writer