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    I think we agree that it was an obvious dirty hit, deserving of a fine and suspension on Clowney, and the refs should have thrown the flag (however undetectable the offense may have been).

    I'm more concerned at this point that the fine and suspension happen. Any news on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS4127 View Post
    Don’t fools yourself into thinking there isn’t some arrogance involved.
    Arrogance? On whose part? The officials? I don't understand your comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southcliffbison View Post
    This is a response to bootfitter……….You don't get it, do you? The protection of the players, especially hits to the head and neck, is the emphasis now in the officiating of football. Yes, I say this as a football official myself. I have been evaluated (as has my crew) numerous times by state evaluators. We are told to error on the side of the safety of a player. We are told to "Flag what will show up on film"...…..let me say that again......flag what will show up on film. NFL crews are made up of 8 officials.... The official response by the Eagle/Seattle game crew was that. apparently. no one had a good look at the play; no one had a good angle to see what actually happened. How many damn officials does it take to see every play? How many officials does it take to get a good angle on every play...…... 9, 10, a dozen. The crews spokeman's response was just a lame ass excuse for missing a critical cheap shot non call.
    Get what? To the extent that the rules and the guidance for officials is to be conservative and err on the side of safety, and an official chooses to do otherwise, then sure they failed in their duty. But if an official makes judgment calls that are outside of the scope of their responsibilities, they are also failing in their duty.

    You may know better than I do the responsibilities of an NFL official. I know virtually nothing. But I maintain that I'd rather have the officials follow the rules and the training/guidance they receive in their interpretation of those rules than for them to take the game into their own hands. I'm pretty sure that going outside of the rules and training is a recipe for a short career. If the rules and/or training/guidance isn't enough to protect the players, then those items should be addressed before an official makes judgment calls outside of the scope of their responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebootfitter View Post
    Arrogance? On whose part? The officials? I don't understand your comment.
    Yes, the officials.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bison"FANatic" View Post
    Easy to criticize in hindsight after we all have had the opportunity of replay and slow motion. I didnt think anything of it in real time but after seeing the replay thought it was dangerous.

    Heck the way the O line was playing this game and all year it's a minor miracle it didnt happen earlier.
    In real time I barked at the TV saying that piling on shouldn’t be tolerated. That was without seeing the obvious spear.

    Shit, it’s a penalty for a lineman to land on a QB . Why is it ok to jump in the air and land full force on any player who in on the ground?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernBison View Post
    In real time I barked at the TV saying that piling on shouldn’t be tolerated. That was without seeing the obvious spear.

    Shit, it’s a penalty for a lineman to land on a QB . Why is it ok to jump in the air and land full force on any player who in on the ground?


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    Ive seen D-lineman throw there hands down to help cushion their fall on a QB and still get flagged.
    This not getting flagged makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southcliffbison View Post
    If I was concerned about a lengthy NFL officiating career, I would throw the flag, report the "helmet to helmet" contact to the referee, and let the referee/replay booth review the play. Do this early enough in the game (as in Wentz's case, the 1st qt) and if the replay shows illegal contact with the helmet, eject the player. The players then realize the officials are not going to tolerate this kind of activity; it reveals to the players that the officials have the "nuts" to kick my ass outta here if I resort to this kind of play. You have solved the problem; for the remaining part of the game anyway. It would be interesting to know what the league office had to say in the evaluation report for this crew.
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    Very well said. Like old Barney Fife used to say, “You’ve got to nip it in the bud!”


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    Quote Originally Posted by 56BISON73 View Post
    Ive seen D-lineman throw there hands down to help cushion their fall on a QB and still get flagged.
    This not getting flagged makes no sense.
    Very well said sir. And your comment carries the weight of someone who has been there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernBison View Post
    In real time I barked at the TV saying that piling on shouldn’t be tolerated. That was without seeing the obvious spear.

    Shit, it’s a penalty for a lineman to land on a QB . Why is it ok to jump in the air and land full force on any player who in on the ground?


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    It looked as bad in real time as it did in the slow motion and individual still shots. Like you said, it was a launching, flying, spearing, helmet to helmet, nauseating, premeditated attempt to take out Carson and leave his team with a 40 year old backup who could possibly even cause the Bison to lose in Frisco if they had to sub him in (which they wouldn’t). And it did just that. Carroll and his dirty bunch knew that and planned for it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thebootfitter View Post
    Get what? To the extent that the rules and the guidance for officials is to be conservative and err on the side of safety, and an official chooses to do otherwise, then sure they failed in their duty. But if an official makes judgment calls that are outside of the scope of their responsibilities, they are also failing in their duty.

    You may know better than I do the responsibilities of an NFL official. I know virtually nothing. But I maintain that I'd rather have the officials follow the rules and the training/guidance they receive in their interpretation of those rules than for them to take the game into their own hands. I'm pretty sure that going outside of the rules and training is a recipe for a short career. If the rules and/or training/guidance isn't enough to protect the players, then those items should be addressed before an official makes judgment calls outside of the scope of their responsibility.
    Officials in football (and basketball) have what is known in the vernacular as PCA's......Primary Coverage Areas...….this is particularly true in football and basketball officiating. PCA is an area of the field or court that which an official is responsible for in terms of ruling on fouls, violations, penalties, etc. ; however, an official can rule on a play outside his or her primary coverage area if he/she sees a foul, violation or penalty. That's why you see multiple flags on certain plays in football, especially PI's, whether it be OPI, DPI, procedure penalties, false starts; the list is long. In basketball, you see two officials with their fists up indicating a foul that happen when both officials are looking at the same play. Someone here is ruling on a play outside of his PCA. It doesn't matter who makes the call, just make the call. See where I'm going at here? I just find it incredulous that (with 8 sets of eyes on the field) no one, as I mentioned in a previous post) didn't or couldn't have had a decent look at the hit that was laid on Wentz. Basketball coaches in particular don't give a rat's ass who makes the call, just make the damn call !!

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