Summit Building Boom

[THEsocalledfan]

Don't disagree but I don't know how you play hardball when it comes to athletic facilities.

The athletic facility thing is a delicate dance, but NDSU somehow needs to start making their case more directly to the public and get the public to take action. If the need is pressing enough, heck in ND you could even try an initiated measure. (Say to bond the SHAC if we still needed it.) You just can't let these guys have a free pass. Maybe even work with PACs with big donors to fund challengers that would be more "friendly" to NDSU.

I have no idea if any of this stuff would work; just throwing out ideas.

[ByeSonBusiness]

The athletic facility thing is a delicate dance, but NDSU somehow needs to start making their case more directly to the public and get the public to take action. If the need is pressing enough, heck in ND you could even try an initiated measure. (Say to bond the SHAC if we still needed it.) You just can't let these guys have a free pass. Maybe even work with PACs with big donors to fund challengers that would be more "friendly" to NDSU.

I have no idea if any of this stuff would work; just throwing out ideas.

Never a bad idea.

[SDbison]

The athletic facility thing is a delicate dance, but NDSU somehow needs to start making their case more directly to the public and get the public to take action. If the need is pressing enough, heck in ND you could even try an initiated measure. (Say to bond the SHAC if we still needed it.) You just can't let these guys have a free pass. Maybe even work with PACs with big donors to fund challengers that would be more "friendly" to NDSU.

I have no idea if any of this stuff would work; just throwing out ideas.

Need to have someone in legislature sponsor a bill to allow bonding for certain higher education projects. Could structure it similar to other states. I believe SD just started to allow bonding about 5 or 6 years ago. NDSU now falling behind to others in conference. Ridiculous to build a facility with no allowance for growth, like the SHAC. Stuck with that building for 30 years. Not expandable whatsoever. How shortsighted.

[abc123]

The athletic facility thing is a delicate dance, but NDSU somehow needs to start making their case more directly to the public and get the public to take action. If the need is pressing enough, heck in ND you could even try an initiated measure. (Say to bond the SHAC if we still needed it.) You just can't let these guys have a free pass. Maybe even work with PACs with big donors to fund challengers that would be more "friendly" to NDSU.

I have no idea if any of this stuff would work; just throwing out ideas.

They've already found a way around it by having the NDSU Foundation guarantee the necessary funds and then having them issue bonds if necessary. It's how big portion of the Fargodome office space/locker room renovations were paid for in 2005 (still almost $1.5 million remain outstanding) and how the SHAC was able to move forward.

[Hammersmith]

Need to have someone in legislature sponsor a bill to allow bonding for certain higher education projects. Could structure it similar to other states. I believe SD just started to allow bonding about 5 or 6 years ago. NDSU now falling behind to others in conference. Ridiculous to build a facility with no allowance for growth, like the SHAC. Stuck with that building for 30 years. Not expandable whatsoever. How shortsighted.

Call bull on that. There is nothing saying MBB is going to be stuck in the SHAC for 30 years. NDSU needs three arenas of three different sizes. Right now, that's the FD, the SHAC, and the BBF. Nothing says that that is the way it's going to stay. In fact, we already know the BBF is inadequate if VB is cooking. Ten or fifteen years from now, we could see a new MBB arena with the SHAC taking over for the BBF. Personally, I'm still hoping for a basketball addition to the FD like the 2008 proposal that almost happened.

FD: FB
new facility: MBB, maybe WBB, large wrestling events
SHAC: maybe WBB, regular wrestling, VB
BBF: goes back to intermural/phy-ed/ROTC

If I were converting the SHAC for VB/WR down the road, I would tear out the old upper deck and just leave the walkway with a press box. That would drop the capacity down to a level perfect for VB and WR while leaving all the new amenities. The area reclaimed by pulling out the upper deck would be well-used by any number of athletic dept. functions.

Think of the SHAC as a stepping stone, rather than an end game. If nothing else, it will help your blood pressure.

[Hammersmith]

They've already found a way around it by having the NDSU Foundation guarantee the necessary funds and then having them issue bonds if necessary. It's how big portion of the Fargodome office space/locker room renovations were paid for in 2005 (still almost $1.5 million remain outstanding) and how the SHAC was able to move forward.

Yeah, and the legislature wasn't happy with that process. They've come very close to closing that loophole. Almost certain they will close it if someone tries to ram a big project through it.

[BisBison]

Yeah, and the legislature wasn't happy with that process. They've come very close to closing that loophole. Almost certain they will close it if someone tries to ram a big project through it.

Mostly a couple members of the legislature weren't happy with it. Namely Stryle, Carlson and Skarpol. They don't speak for the whole legislature they just think they do and yell louder than anyone else.

[Hammersmith]

Mostly a couple members of the legislature weren't happy with it. Namely Stryle, Carlson and Skarpol. They don't speak for the whole legislature they just think they do and yell louder than anyone else.

Point. But they are in leadership positions and control some important committees. They can do a lot of damage when they go on one of their rampages. Remember that just about everyone thought the Sioux nickname bill was a joke until Carlson decided to use his position to ram it through.

[56BISON73]

Call bull on that. There is nothing saying MBB is going to be stuck in the SHAC for 30 years. NDSU needs three arenas of three different sizes. Right now, that's the FD, the SHAC, and the BBF. Nothing says that that is the way it's going to stay. In fact, we already know the BBF is inadequate if VB is cooking. Ten or fifteen years from now, we could see a new MBB arena with the SHAC taking over for the BBF. Personally, I'm still hoping for a basketball addition to the FD like the 2008 proposal that almost happened.

FD: FB
new facility: MBB, maybe WBB, large wrestling events
SHAC: maybe WBB, regular wrestling, VB
BBF: goes back to intermural/phy-ed/ROTC

If I were converting the SHAC for VB/WR down the road, I would tear out the old upper deck and just leave the walkway with a press box. That would drop the capacity down to a level perfect for VB and WR while leaving all the new amenities. The area reclaimed by pulling out the upper deck would be well-used by any number of athletic dept. functions.

Think of the SHAC as a stepping stone, rather than an end game. If nothing else, it will help your blood pressure.

Nicely done.

[HerdBot]

Call bull on that. There is nothing saying MBB is going to be stuck in the SHAC for 30 years. NDSU needs three arenas of three different sizes. Right now, that's the FD, the SHAC, and the BBF. Nothing says that that is the way it's going to stay. In fact, we already know the BBF is inadequate if VB is cooking. Ten or fifteen years from now, we could see a new MBB arena with the SHAC taking over for the BBF. Personally, I'm still hoping for a basketball addition to the FD like the 2008 proposal that almost happened.

FD: FB
new facility: MBB, maybe WBB, large wrestling events
SHAC: maybe WBB, regular wrestling, VB
BBF: goes back to intermural/phy-ed/ROTC

If I were converting the SHAC for VB/WR down the road, I would tear out the old upper deck and just leave the walkway with a press box. That would drop the capacity down to a level perfect for VB and WR while leaving all the new amenities. The area reclaimed by pulling out the upper deck would be well-used by any number of athletic dept. functions.

Think of the SHAC as a stepping stone, rather than an end game. If nothing else, it will help your blood pressure.

Totally agree on othe uses for it. Although not sure why everyone talking about being "stuck in the shac" like it's a bad thing. This is now an awesome facility. We just need to maintain it and upgrade it. They basically let the BSA fall apart. Heck look how nice thr Fargodome looks after nearly 25 years.

And as far as size goes, if we were to sell out the place, we would be ranked in the top 100 for attendance. Check out the NCAA attendance. Seems right about perfect

Rank School G Attendance Average
61. California 19 147,318 7,754
62. VCU 15 116,115 7,741
63. Texas Tech 17 130,145 7,656
64. Clemson 19 142,231 7,486
65. Ole Miss 17 124,583 7,328
66. St. John's (NY) 19 133,689 7,036
67. Mississippi St. 18 123,743 6,875
68. Weber St. 16 109,340 6,834
69. Boise St. 16 108,957 6,810
70. Baylor 17 115,696 6,806
71. Fresno St. 19 128,737 6,776
72. Northwestern 17 114,215 6,719
73. Arizona St. 17 113,680 6,687
74. Bradley 17 112,335 6,608
75. Georgia Tech 17 111,926 6,584
76. Washington 18 118,469 6,582
77. Massachusetts 13 85,069 6,544
78. Nevada 15 96,997 6,466
79. Hawaii 19 121,915 6,417
80. DePaul 17 108,178 6,363
Rank School G Attendance Average
81. Seton Hall 18 114,056 6,336
82. Florida St. 17 106,849 6,285
83. Penn St. 18 112,625 6,257
84. Georgia 18 110,512 6,140
85. Ohio 21 128,602 6,124
86. Richmond 16 97,632 6,102
87. Gonzaga 15 90,000 6,000
88. Temple 14 83,485 5,963
89. New Mexico St. 15 89,224 5,948
90. Indiana St. 13 77,300 5,946
91. Auburn 18 104,815 5,823
92. Old Dominion 18 104,008 5,778
93. Miami (FL) 16 92,424 5,777
94. Siena 19 108,424 5,707
95. SMU 19 107,412 5,653
96. UCF 17 90,067 5,298
97. Southern Ill. 14 73,126 5,223
98. Missouri St. 17 88,690 5,217
99. Texas A&M 20 104,325 5,216
100. Wyoming 18 92,716 5,151