Bracket time

[Bison"FANatic"]

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[Professor Chaos]

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Thanks! Lots of good information in there. They will use the SRS this year and the finals standings will be made public on 11/24. Also, the mileage threshold for ground travel in the 1st round remains at 400 miles meaning that all FCS teams except for SDSU, USD, and UND (you can laugh at that if you want to) are outside of bus range for NDSU. The magical D1 win threshold goes from 7 to 6. Looks like even though D2 teams will factor into SRS they "may" give more consideration to teams playing full D1 schedules.

[Tatanka]

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[bisonaudit]

I'm not sure the SRS exists. They were supposed to publish it beginning sometime in October but I've never seen anything. I thought I heard Kolpack say it wasn't ready last week.

Also, they don't appear to understand the meaning of the word 'independent'. I think the word they're looking for is 'interdependent'.

"The teams’ ratings are independent in that one team’s rating depends on its opponents’ ratings, which depend on their opponents’ ratings, etc., based on the “network” of college football games played each week during the football season."

Assuming the SRS exists it's criteria are SOS, W-L, game location (home, road, or neutral), and the division of your opponent (I-A, I-AA, or II). No margin. So look at the BCS BS from Sagarin, I guess. There aren't any DII teams in there though. Maybe someone else on here knows which of the other models incorporate DII if any?

400 miles is the bus trip limit but the site still talks about not playing a conference mate in round 2 if it's the first game for both teams. That's no longer relevant. It makes me wonder if the 400 is still correct. I thought there was some chatter on here about 450? Edit: pointed out above that they did update the # of wins 'criteria' to 6 from 7 so that gives some confidence that maybe the 400 is correct, though I still don't know why the 2nd round conference opponent stuff remains in there.

You can't polish a turd.

[gotts]

I'm not sure the SRS exists. They were supposed to publish it beginning sometime in October but I've never seen anything. I thought I heard Kolpack say it wasn't ready last week.

Also, they don't appear to understand the meaning of the word 'independent'. I think the word they're looking for is 'interdependent'.

"The teams’ ratings are independent in that one team’s rating depends on its opponents’ ratings, which depend on their opponents’ ratings, etc., based on the “network” of college football games played each week during the football season."

Assuming the SRS exists it's criteria are SOS, W-L, game location (home, road, or neutral), and the division of your opponent (I-A, I-AA, or II). No margin. So look at the BCS BS from Sagarin, I guess. There aren't any DII teams in there though. Maybe someone else on here knows which of the other models incorporate DII if any?

400 miles is the bus trip limit but the site still talks about not playing a conference mate in round 2 if it's the first game for both teams. That's no longer relevant. It makes me wonder if the 400 is still correct. I thought there was some chatter on here about 450?

You can't polish a turd.

Could this send the bracket into mass chaos if there happened to be a forfeit in round 1, so that first round team never played a game???

EDIT: yes, I know, it says no adjustments will be made to the bracket

[bisonaudit]

Could this send the bracket into mass chaos if there happened to be a forfeit in round 1, so that first round team never played a game???

EDIT: yes, I know, it says no adjustments will be made to the bracket

Fortunately, Grambling isn't going to make the tournament.

[Professor Chaos]

I'm not sure the SRS exists. They were supposed to publish it beginning sometime in October but I've never seen anything. I thought I heard Kolpack say it wasn't ready last week.

Also, they don't appear to understand the meaning of the word 'independent'. I think the word they're looking for is 'interdependent'.

"The teams’ ratings are independent in that one team’s rating depends on its opponents’ ratings, which depend on their opponents’ ratings, etc., based on the “network” of college football games played each week during the football season."

Assuming the SRS exists it's criteria are SOS, W-L, game location (home, road, or neutral), and the division of your opponent (I-A, I-AA, or II). No margin. So look at the BCS BS from Sagarin, I guess. There aren't any DII teams in there though. Maybe someone else on here knows which of the other models incorporate DII if any?

400 miles is the bus trip limit but the site still talks about not playing a conference mate in round 2 if it's the first game for both teams. That's no longer relevant. It makes me wonder if the 400 is still correct. I thought there was some chatter on here about 450? Edit: pointed out above that they did update the # of wins 'criteria' to 6 from 7 so that gives some confidence that maybe the 400 is correct, though I still don't know why the 2nd round conference opponent stuff remains in there.

You can't polish a turd.

I would guess they're embarrassed to release the SRS and are still tweaking it. Which makes it disappointing to me that they're not going to release until after the selections are made because they can just tweak it to fit their picks then. I had also heard the rumor that the mileage threshold had been bumped to 450 but I'd have to think they would've updated that here if it was the case. While the "no conference opponents in the 2nd round if it's both teams 1st game" doesn't apply anymore it is accurate. But who knows, this is the NCAA we're talking about. They may end up confused and put UND as the #1 overall seed when they release the bracket.

[Strategery]

I'm not sure the SRS exists. They were supposed to publish it beginning sometime in October but I've never seen anything. I thought I heard Kolpack say it wasn't ready last week.

Also, they don't appear to understand the meaning of the word 'independent'. I think the word they're looking for is 'interdependent'.

"The teams’ ratings are independent in that one team’s rating depends on its opponents’ ratings, which depend on their opponents’ ratings, etc., based on the “network” of college football games played each week during the football season."

Assuming the SRS exists it's criteria are SOS, W-L, game location (home, road, or neutral), and the division of your opponent (I-A, I-AA, or II). No margin. So look at the BCS BS from Sagarin, I guess. There aren't any DII teams in there though. Maybe someone else on here knows which of the other models incorporate DII if any?

400 miles is the bus trip limit but the site still talks about not playing a conference mate in round 2 if it's the first game for both teams. That's no longer relevant. It makes me wonder if the 400 is still correct. I thought there was some chatter on here about 450? Edit: pointed out above that they did update the # of wins 'criteria' to 6 from 7 so that gives some confidence that maybe the 400 is correct, though I still don't know why the 2nd round conference opponent stuff remains in there.

You can't polish a turd.

Agreed. The sections above that say:

"The NCAA Simple Rating System (NCAA SRS) is a ranking system used to gauge team quality. Within the NCAA SRS, the rating of a team will be calculated largely by two components: a strength-of-schedule measure (SOS) and a win-loss differential (WL).

"A team’s SOS measure is simply the average NCAA SRS rating of that team’s opponents for the season."

So they use the SOS along with WL to calculate the SRS, but then they use the SRS to calculate SO? Am I missing something or isn't this circular reasoning (or a chicken and egg problem. Whichever you prefer) and therefore not possible?

I guess they could start by calculating SRS using only WL, and then use that incomplete SRS to calculate the SO, and then keep going around like that until it converges on the true SRS, but I'm not positive that would work. Anyone have any insight on this?

[VirginiaBison]

Could this send the bracket into mass chaos if there happened to be a forfeit in round 1, so that first round team never played a game???

Do you mean forfeit because they could not afford to make the trip to a game site?

On a similiar note, it appears game site selection is heavily weighted on $$ to be guaranteed by the potential host site. Is it possible for a team to "buy" out of having to play at the Fargo Dome and make the Bison travel?

[56BISON73]

Agreed. The sections above that say:

"The NCAA Simple Rating System (NCAA SRS) is a ranking system used to gauge team quality. Within the NCAA SRS, the rating of a team will be calculated largely by two components: a strength-of-schedule measure (SOS) and a win-loss differential (WL).

"A team’s SOS measure is simply the average NCAA SRS rating of that team’s opponents for the season."

So they use the SOS along with WL to calculate the SRS, but then they use the SRS to calculate SO? Am I missing something or isn't this circular reasoning (or a chicken and egg problem. Whichever you prefer) and therefore not possible?

I guess they could start by calculating SRS using only WL, and then use that incomplete SRS to calculate the SO, and then keep going around like that until it converges on the true SRS, but I'm not positive that would work. Anyone have any insight on this?

SRS ? SO? what you talking about