Sioux History

[TransAmBison]

So whose fault is it? The United States for continuing to break treaties or the Natives for continuing to agree to treaties.

As the saying goes, fool me once....

You are consistent...

[zooropa]

So whose fault is it?

Another lesson from Bisonville!

It is okay to take things that belong to others, as long as people expect you to do this!!!!!

[zooropa]

Lower Red Lake is pretty valuable...

It wasn't when the U.S. gave it to the natives.

[SDbison]

You can own land, but that alone does not give you mineral rights.

[NorthernBison]

You can own land, but that alone does not give you mineral rights.

In ND, the mineral rights go with the surface rights until they are severed. When you get a deed to property you only get the mineral rights that the previous owner had. That could be anywhere from 100% to 0%. It might not be listed on the deed and many people don't know what mineral rights they have.

[aces1180]

There are vast areas that are nothing but wetlands-swamp. Homes around there aren't very expensive the last time I looked. There is a big difference in what people are asking and what they will actually get. Ive talked to a few owners and they are unrealistic IMO. They think just because Red Lake is there it valuable. That's why they are still sitting on the property. Plus issues with the N/a have kept people away.

Are you talking about the land around upper Red Lake not controlled by the tribe or the land adjacent to Upper and Lower Red Lake by the tribe? The land not contolled by the tribe is mostly rice paddies and swamp as you said. However, the land south and westbof Lower Red is pretty nice. As a closed reservation, a non-tribal member probably wouldn't be able to live there...However, if the tribe decided to sell that land, you are looking at development similar Leech Lake or Mile Lacs.

[56BISON73]

Are you talking about the land around upper Red Lake not controlled by the tribe or the land adjacent to Upper and Lower Red Lake by the tribe? The land not contolled by the tribe is mostly rice paddies and swamp as you said. However, the land south and westbof Lower Red is pretty nice. As a closed reservation, a non-tribal member probably wouldn't be able to live there...However, if the tribe decided to sell that land, you are looking at development similar Leech Lake or Mile Lacs.

I never have understood the lack of motivation by the N/A to devlope the west side. When the wind is out of the west the lake is almost unfishable on the east side. Guide services, boat launch fees, Hotels and restaurants would do well over there. As a matter of fact they could require a guide to fish on that side. I would think the economic impact would certainly help out the tribe.

[aces1180]

I never have understood the lack of motivation by the N/A to devlope the west side. When the wind is out of the west the lake is almost unfishable on the east side. Guide services, boat launch fees, Hotels and restaurants would do well over there. As a matter of fact they could require a guide to fish on that side. I would think the economic impact would certainly help out the tribe.

The lack of motivation comes from their culture, unfortunately.

[NorthernBison]

The lack of motivation comes from their culture, unfortunately.

Very true. The value system is different and has been that way for hundreds of years. It isn't going to change.

[TransAmBison]

The lack of motivation comes from their culture, unfortunately.

This is a severe understatement. They lack motivation like Portly Rob lacks the ability to pass up a Big Mac.