New University Funding Model Proposal

[Hansel]

http://www.prairiebizmag.com/event/a...r%20Education/

"The new formula would take a base dollar amount that would vary depending on the kind of institution -- two-year schools, such as Bismarck State College, would receive $117 per credit; Dickinson State University and other four-year regional campuses, $110 per credit; and North Dakota State University and the University of North Dakota would both receive $72 per credit -- and multiply that by the number of credit hours earned by students at the school.


That figure would then be multiplied by three main elements, which can increase the funding per credit completed.


The first element is the weighted student credit hour, which provides more formula dollars for a higher level of instruction or costlier programs such as nursing. A lower level course will receive a smaller weight and fewer dollars compared to an upper level course."

[EndZoneQB]

Why not fund NDSU at the same level as UND?


Oh wait...

[tony]

Why not fund NDSU at the same level as UND?


Oh wait...

Well, they list the base numbers but then say, "Yeah, but we're going to multiply these by three other numbers which reward low enrollment schools with lots of excess classroom space and then we're going to weight programs."

Get back to me when they get done gaming the numbers.

[Tatanka]

Well, they list the base numbers but then say, "Yeah, but we're going to multiply these by three other numbers which reward low enrollment schools with lots of excess classroom space and then we're going to weight programs."

Get back to me when they get done gaming the numbers.

They wouldn't game the numbers now would they?

[WYOBISONMAN]

I have heard that this would be a significant improvement over what is going on now. I just wonder how UND will try to game this. It also always has irritated me that the little schools get so much more per student funding and NDSU gets hammered for our economies of scale. But, being a NDSU alumnus, my perspective is rather jaded towards the small schools.

[Tatanka]

Heard on the radio someone sponsored a bill to remove NDUS institution cities and purposes from teh state constitution. Bravo, but that will unfortunately go nowhere.

[WYOBISONMAN]

Heard on the radio someone sponsored a bill to remove NDUS institution cities and purposes from teh state constitution. Bravo, but that will unfortunately go nowhere.

That is something ND ought to do, but I think the vote would split with urban folks voting to remove from the constitution and rural people voting no. Add to that Minot and Dickinson likely voting not on it as well, and the likelihood of passage of an amendment to the constitution is pretty slim.

[tony]

I have heard that this would be a significant improvement over what is going on now. I just wonder how UND will try to game this. It also always has irritated me that the little schools get so much more per student funding and NDSU gets hammered for our economies of scale. But, being a NDSU alumnus, my perspective is rather jaded towards the small schools.

Well, it'd be almost impossible to make it worse, I applaud them for trying, but here's the quote that worries me:

Rep. Mark Sanford, R-Grand Forks, a retired school administrator and member of the interim committee said Tuesday the committee met with many experts from North Dakota and out of state when trying to create the proposed formula.
“This, as a base formula, provides an excellent opportunity to consider other measures of performance [emphasis mine] that could be part of the funding system,” he said.

Good idea, right? Except that is nothing but an exercise in gaming the numbers if they give "performance bonuses" that go into effect immediately rather than in four or five years.

[Bisonguy]

That is something ND ought to do, but I think the vote would split with urban folks voting to remove from the constitution and rural people voting no. Add to that Minot and Dickinson likely voting not on it as well, and the likelihood of passage of an amendment to the constitution is pretty slim.

Maybe, but the reasoning supposedly behind it is that NDSU is defined as an ag school and some of the other schools are defined as teacher colleges and have grown beyond those descriptions. If people would actually educate themselves on this vote I don't see how it wouldn't pass.

[GRAFTONBISON]

Maybe, but the reasoning supposedly behind it is that NDSU is defined as an ag school and some of the other schools are defined as teacher colleges and have grown beyond those descriptions. If people would actually educate themselves on this vote I don't see how it wouldn't pass.

Look no further than the nickname bill!!