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    11 Bison are competing in the prelims; 6 women and 5 men. I'll try to update results as I get chances. Top 12 qualify for nationals.

    Women:
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    - 1,600-meter relay: finished 6th in their heat and 20th overall
    Antoinette Goodman
    - long jump: fouled twice and finished 43rd in the prelim
    - 200-meter run: third in her heat and 16th overall in the prelim; advances to qtr
    Paige Stratioti
    - 400-meter run: finished last(8th) in her heat and 44th overall in the prelim
    Brittany Schanandore
    - 800-meter run: fourth in her heat(8) and 19th overall in the prelim; finished 19th in the semi(top 12 advanced)
    Ashlynn Simon
    - 800-meter run: finished last in her heat(same one as Brittany) and 47th overall in the prelim
    Maddie McClellan
    - 3,000m steeplechase: finished 7th in her heat and 14th overall; the top 12 advanced
    Amy Jo Thorne
    - 3,000m steeplechase: finished 9th in her heat and 24th overall in the prelim


    Men:
    Matt Tetzlaff
    - 110-meter hurdles: finished 5th in his heat and 36th overall in the prelim
    Moses Heppner
    - 800-meter run: finished 7th in his heat(8) and 42nd overall in the prelim
    Travis Fitzke
    - 1,500-meter run: finished 7th in his heat(12) and 27th overall in the prelim
    Casey Orgon
    - hammer throw: heartbreaker - the top 16 were allowed 3 more throws to make the top 12, Casey was 17th
    Jeramy Geditz
    - high jump: finished 18th in his flight and 33rd overall


    Thursday was not a good day for the Bison(save for Brittany). Casey, Matt, Antoinette, Brittany, Maddie and Amy Jo will all compete tomorrow.

    edit: Here's the link to livestats. Forgot that. http://www.texassports.com/livestats/c-track/
    Last edited by Hammersmith; 05-27-2012 at 03:16 AM.

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    Nice Summary Hammersmith.

    others ... here is the link to Thursday's results.
    http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile....lder_id=0#news

    and again, with the www missing (so add this)
    runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?event_id=3280&do=news&year=2012&pg=1& news_id=25871&folder_id=0#news

    Yes, it was not a good day for the Bison. Bad food (as in food poisoning?), nerves, kickers races? Heppner, Fitzke, Stratioti, Simon did not run anywhere near their personal bests. Consequently and unfortunately, none advanced. They should all be back next year, however, with another year of maturity under their belt, and hopefully less nerves.

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    Default Re: NCAA Preliminaries

    Laura Roesler ran well ... won her heat of the 800 meter prelims. Brittany Shanandore of the Bison, however, ran a faster time.

    Another ND product ... Brandon Barnes (2011 state 800 champ Bismarck, now at Iowa State), not in the 800, so did not qualify, or he possibly redshirted the outdoor season.

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    Amy Jo Thorne - 10:42 in the steeple, about 20 seconds slower than her personal best, which she ran this outdoor season.
    Maddie McClellan - 10:27, about 8 seconds off her best.
    Casey Orgon - threw equal to his personal best of 197 feet.

    As Hammersmith noted, none advanced.

    In general I think the NDSU coaching staff is very very good.
    However, based on how the runners have done at this NCAA, it appears that they did a poor job getting their athletes ready (mentally) for this meet. Brittany ran a race near her personal best, but no one, not even Brittany, ran a personal best ... and many of the NDSU athletes would have advanced if they would have run near their personal bests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo.Rider View Post
    Amy Jo Thorne - 10:42 in the steeple, about 20 seconds slower than her personal best, which she ran this outdoor season.
    Maddie McClellan - 10:27, about 8 seconds off her best.
    Casey Orgon - threw equal to his personal best of 197 feet.

    As Hammersmith noted, none advanced.

    In general I think the NDSU coaching staff is very very good.
    However, based on how the runners have done at this NCAA, it appears that they did a poor job getting their athletes ready (mentally) for this meet. Brittany ran a race near her personal best, but no one, not even Brittany, ran a personal best ... and many of the NDSU athletes would have advanced if they would have run near their personal bests.
    I have a hard time blaming the coaches in this situation. It is difficult for athletes to give it all again after such
    an emotional meet. Even if the coaches did everything right it is still up to the athlete to perform. Mental
    preparation is the responsibilty of the athlete. Big speeches don't work in track. They know what they need to do. I am just bummed that i don't get to watch any Bison at nationals. Hopefully Roesler does well and
    Grooters makes it.
    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Castor Troy View Post
    I have a hard time blaming the coaches in this situation. . . . Mental
    preparation is the responsibilty of the athlete. Big speeches don't work in track. They know what they need to do.
    I don't have any issues putting part of the responsibility on the coaches. Now if the weather was horrible, or the athlete's got food poisoning (as the Bison football team did in 1990 during the playoffs), then sub-par performances are understandable. As far as I know, that was not the problem in Austin.

    I think the NDSU coaches did not do a good job getting the athletes ready for the NCAAs, based on the athlete's performances (overall). A coaches job is not just to decide on the daily and monthly workouts, they also should be explaining the physics of running to their athletes (Edwin Moses used to talk about how he applied physics to his hurdling), race strategies, when to begin a kick ... and last but not least, how to approach the big meets from a mental standpoint. The athletes don't always know what to do, or how to think. That is what a coach is there for - to coach, to teach, to mentor. It is more than just specifying the workouts and having athlete's go through stretching drills

    I agree that big speeches don't matter much. That is not where the mental part of the sport is coached, or where it begins. It needs to be taught throughout the track season, and is a combination of fostering confidence (beyond the confidence that comes from success), defiance (for when going against people who have better marks), proper risk taking, and so on. These things are not entirely the responsibility of the athlete as you suggest - it is a shared responsibility of the athlete and the coach. Even the support network matters a great deal. Athletes who don't have a healthy support network (of coaches, friends, followers, family, etc.) generally do not reach their potential.

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    In short ... the track and field athletes should be posting their best times (heights, distances, etc.) at the end of the year - or near their best.

    Only Brittany Shanandore and Casey Orgon were in the vicinity of their best at the NCAAs. That is not how it should have been. The athletes should have been savoring the opportunity to prove what they could do up against good competition - and that it seems, was lacking. If they were, it would have showed up in better overall performances.

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    I don't follow track, but are these late start times typical? Most of the running events seem like they're between 7 and 9 at night. I assume it's partially because of the Texas spring/summer heat, but is it common at other meets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammersmith View Post
    I don't follow track, but are these late start times typical? Most of the running events seem like they're between 7 and 9 at night. I assume it's partially because of the Texas spring/summer heat, but is it common at other meets?
    It is not that unusual to have evening track and field in other parts of the U.S. It is not common in Fargo because it starts to cool off after 5 or 6 pm, and it can cool off a lot and quite rapidly. The Oregon twilight meet a few weeks ago (in Eugene) was an evening track and field event.

    I lived in Austin a while ago and the hottest part of the day is typically 5pm to 9pm. The evening likely is not so much due to the heat because it does not start to cool off until late at night, but it might be to keep the athletes from baking under the sun.

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    Did Jeramy not compete in the high jump today? I can't find his name in the results anywhere. Maybe it's an error in the reporting. All that's left now is the women's 4x400 relay at 9:45.

    Never mind. They finally fixed things by adding the results of the second flight.
    Last edited by Hammersmith; 05-27-2012 at 02:42 AM.

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