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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Burgundy View Post
    I think it would be cool if NDSU got a women's basketball program. It was sort of cool 20 years ago when we did. Not sure what it would take to get it started again. Maybe have to hire a coach, get some D1 athletes, buy some women's balls, we already have a sweet new facility. Unless we cannot compete with SDSU and/or USD, then maybe it makes sense to not have it still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bison bison View Post
    Asked my son tonight if he's a Bison fan. He responded that he cheers for the boys, doesn't always cheer for the girls because their not very good.
    I remember when the move to Division 1 was being discussed, women's basketball was the sport that was supposed to have the easiest transition, "we should be competitive right away." Very similar to what I hear from the Augustana boosters about their baseball and basketball programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMB View Post
    I remember when the move to Division 1 was being discussed, women's basketball was the sport that was supposed to have the easiest transition, "we should be competitive right away." Very similar to what I hear from the Augustana boosters about their baseball and basketball programs.
    We had the same discussion and felt the same way you did.
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    And they goddamn should have, but Amy started mailing it in, Dehoff sucked and stayed waaaaay too long, and Walseth is doing the same thing.


    Comments like my son's piss me off to no end. It's his well-based opinion and he's seen more NDSU women's basketball than I (and 99.95 percent of the state) have seen in the last year.

    NDSU athletics used to be about excellence. 2 in-conference wins in a year should get you fired. Back-to-back seasons of 2 in-conference wins should get your boss fired. Yes, Mr. Larson I'm talking about you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMB View Post
    I remember when the move to Division 1 was being discussed, women's basketball was the sport that was supposed to have the easiest transition, "we should be competitive right away." Very similar to what I hear from the Augustana boosters about their baseball and basketball programs.
    SDSU's men's program was supposed to transition well after a lot of success at the D2 level. We know how that worked out. Augustana moving up would be incredibly risky. Not only could they become irrelevant again in athletics, if not done correctly (see scholarship FB) the move could bankrupt the school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bison bison View Post
    And they goddamn should have, but Amy started mailing it in, Dehoff sucked and stayed waaaaay too long, and Walseth is doing the same thing.


    Comments like my son's piss me off to no end. It's his well-based opinion and he's seen more NDSU women's basketball than I (and 99.95 percent of the state) have seen in the last year.

    NDSU athletics used to be about excellence. 2 in-conference wins in a year should get you fired. Back-to-back seasons of 2 in-conference wins should get your boss fired. Yes, Mr. Larson I'm talking about you.
    I’m no expert at this, but if NDSU fired a coach and hired a new one, wouldn’t they be stuck paying two coaches until the fired coach’s contract was fulfilled?

    With NDSU’s limited budget compared to the bigger schools, this might be why they don’t get rid of coaches until their contracts are finished.

    Again, just my speculation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JMB View Post
    I remember when the move to Division 1 was being discussed, women's basketball was the sport that was supposed to have the easiest transition, "we should be competitive right away." Very similar to what I hear from the Augustana boosters about their baseball and basketball programs.
    Just to be clear, anyone who doesn't acknowledge that Augie is extremely unlikely to come in and win at an impressively high level immediately is unrealistic at best. Anyone who understands sports and has paid attention to the transitions of the other now-D1 schools in this region should be aware that the Vikes will have a stretch of at least a few years where they probably won't exactly be near the top of the food chain and will take some beatings.

    The bigger issue is whether or not, after the transition period—specifically during which the Vikes aren't able to participate in postseason tournaments—Augie can be competitive at a higher level in the Summit. As has been discussed, if things go back to the way they were in the NCC days (when Augie's administration was making a minimal...if not just flat-out embarrassing...investment in athletics), then yes, the Vikings will struggle. But if Augie has enough financial investment from boosters and new supporters/investors/sponsors combined with full support and buy-in from the administration to be competitive with budgets, facilities, etc., then I don't think it's overwhelmingly unrealistic to think they could be a successful program at the D1 level.

    Obviously all of those elements have to come together. And like I said before, if those elements aren't guaranteed (or at least extremely likely to come together), then the decision should definitely be that Augie stays D2.

    I know others on here strongly disagree that Augie has even a shred of hope of being competitive at the next level, but it does feel like some of those people are singularly focused on treating the potential D1 version of Augie as the early-90s/early-2000s doormat version of Augie, and I don't get the impression that the early-90s version will ever be returned to by our administration in terms of financing and support. If that happens, my guess is the administration responsible won't exactly be around a whole lot longer after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Moen View Post
    I’m no expert at this, but if NDSU fired a coach and hired a new one, wouldn’t they be stuck paying two coaches until the fired coach’s contract was fulfilled?

    With NDSU’s limited budget compared to the bigger schools, this might be why they don’t get rid of coaches until their contracts are finished.
    Yes they would have to pay for two coaches. Maybe that would prevent them from paying way too much and for too long for first time head coaches like they did for Richman and Walselth.

    Which makes you hold them a lot more dearly and a lot longer than they are worth.

    They are both busts at this time, but they've got years left in Fargo between the two of them. FAIL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bison bison View Post
    Yes they would have to pay for two coaches. Maybe that would prevent them from paying way too much and for too long for first time head coaches like they did for Richman and Walselth.

    Which makes you hold them a lot more dearly and a lot longer than they are worth.

    They are both busts at this time, but they've got years left in Fargo between the two of them. FAIL.
    How many seasons do they each have left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadlandsBison View Post
    How many seasons do they each have left?
    Richman was signed to a 5 year contract, initially. We've talked about this in another thread. Suspect he is lame duck coach this year unless he pulls out a miracle.

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