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    Default FCSRecruting Evaluates NDSU's 2011 class

    A group of people on AGS are trying to evaluate every recruiting class in the FCS. Here are their thoughts on NDSU.

    NORTH DAKOTA STATE
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    QUICK TAKE: The Bison did a nice job of finding projectable, athletic, physical, " football players" with versatility. As expected in a low population state, they had to branch out to neighboring states of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Illinois, and tap into ties in Arizona to fill out the class. But make no mistake, the star of the show is home grown, and should have Bison fans eagerly awaiting the next four to five years.

    WHAT WE LIKE: Of the 19 players we evaluated, 11 rate as above average in our view, with four rating as premium. We were shocked, surprised and thrilled to find a nugget like QB, Carson Wentz, in this class and feel the sky is the limit as far his upside is concerned. We also really like DE/DT prospects, Josh Lisenby and Joe Horvath, and feel OL Josh Colville has a chance to make an immediate impact if need arises on the offensive line. Danell Miles is a good looking free safety, and we also like safety prospet Frank Veldman. The TE class is solid, with Lucas Albers and Derek Lee. We had mixed opinions on LBs Nick Soliere and DeShawn Dinwiddie, and may be underrating both when it's said and done.

    WHAT WE DON'T LIKE: Other than Wentz, we don't see much impact at the skill positions offensively, and we also don't see a great deal of team speed collectively speaking.

    RANKING THE BISON RECRUITS
    Carson Wentz, QB, 6-5, 205: FCSR Rating: 50 -- Tool package doesn't come much better than this - has all the tools and attributes to develop into an elite FCS QB, and then some - prototype body w/ room to grow - excellent feet, mobility and pocket awareness - big arm, can make all the throws - tight, compact release - accurate on the move, can throw easily to his left, against body - excellent student (4.0, 29 ACT) - we see an NFL prospect and a guy with potential to dominate at FCS level.

    Josh Lisenby, DT, 6-2, 236: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Good football player who makes plays - like the motor and ability to run in the open field - versatile enough to play inside or out though somewhat of a tweener physically - must gain significant weight to be viable DT - will he maintain quickness at 270+?? We think he can.

    Josh Colville, OL, 6-3, 280: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Good looking OL prospect - an athlete playing OG - strong, physical, athletic build w/ good mass - explosive first step with ability to get out and run - physically speaking, should be able to step in and contribute early if need is there.

    Danell Miles, FS, 6-0, 190: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Classic free safety with good size and athleticism for position - rangy, instinctive player with good closing speed and ball skills - shows ability to tackle in open field - plays physical.

    Ryan Sanford, QB, 6-2, 180: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Shows some polish - nice footwork/ mobility in and out of pocket - shows ability to throw on the move - throws easy, catchable ball - doesn't possess a gun but arm strength adequate enough to make routine throws - needs to get bigger & stronger but like the upside.

    Nick Scoliere, LB, 6-2, 205: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Another good football player with versatility to play multiple positions - projects as OLB - nice length & frame to add weight - shows ability to both cover and rush the passer - good ball skills - questionable raw speed, but adequate enough for projected position.

    DeShawn Dinwiddie, LB, 6-2, 215: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Hybrid LB/SS - good present size w/ room to get bigger - like the length - doesn't dominate but has good athleticism and runs well for size - physical player - can cover.

    Frank Veldman, SS, 6-4, 190: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Rangy, projectable build - good athlete with skills to play on either side of ball - like the length, range and ball skills...listed as strong safety though we like better at free - would make a quality WR as well.

    Joe Horvath, DT, 6-3, 245: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Physically mature - like the energy, motor and first step quickness - a tweener physically, but plays big - if he can get to 270-280 range without losing quickness, could be a steal.

    Lucas Albers, TE, 6-6, 240: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Big-framed, wide target w/ deceptive athleticism - extension of offensive line - has frame and athleticism to make for quality OT at some point.

    Berkley Grimm, FB, 6-0, 240: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Fits the physical profile of a true fullback - physical, punishing blocker - solid in screen game - runs hard between the tackles - not flashy but type of guy you need in ball control offense.

    Jordan Champion, DB, 5-9, 160: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Versatile athlete who projects as corner - evaluated mostly as a Wing-T RB - a bit undersized and speed doesn't overwhelm, but shows good instincts and ability to change direction .

    C.J. Smith, CB, 6-0, 175: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Listed as CB, evaluated on video as RB - adequate size & speed to play corner - shows enough footwork, change of direction and ball skills to project average at position.

    Andrew Oakland, WR, 6-4, 195: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Solid WR prospect - Nice size and hands - projectable body - not a home run threat but has skills to develop as competent possession receiver.

    Joey Sonnenfeld, FS, 6-3, 185: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Limited video but like the frame, length, and athleticism - shows good ball skills - may be be better suited on offensive side of the ball.

    Andrew Bonnet, FB/HB, 6-3, 230: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Listed as FB but we're evaluating as TE/HB where we feel he's a better fit - Long, strong, athletic build w/ room for strength gains - deceiving athleticism - doesn't appear very fast, but shows some elusiveness and strength with ball in his hands - solid hands.

    Derek Lee, TE, 6-4, 240: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Solid TE prospect - good size w/ frame to add weight - decent speed & route runner.

    Matt Jones, RB, 5-10, 200:FCSR Rating: 25-- Solid size w/ limited physical projection - ordinary back.

    Lyle Norman, DE, 6-4, 230: FCSR Rating: 25 -- Limited video look but has projectable build - shows decent athleticism but first step quickness & explosiveness appear lacking on video - will definitely have to bulk up to play inside - not sure he has enough fast twitch to play on edge.

    Evaluations for other FCS schools can be found here...
    http://www.anygivensaturday.com/show...s-Ratings-Here

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    Default Re: FCSRecruting Evaluates NDSU's 2011 class

    Here are what the numbers(50, 40, 35, 30, etc) mean...

    50 -- Premium, elite recruit...potential 4-year starter from day one...multiple All-Conference selections likely...multiple All-American selections possible...potential Payton/Buchanan candidate/winner at some point in career.

    45 -- Premium, elite recruit...potential 4-year starter...multiple All-Conference selections likely...potential All-American...potential Payton/Buchanan candidate.

    40 -- Premium, elite recruit...potential to contribute immediately...at least a 3-year starter...potential multiple All-Conference selections...potential All-American.

    35 -- Premium Recruit...redshirt year likely...4-year contributor, 3-year starter likely...potential All-Conference selection at some point...potential All-American.

    30 -- Solid Average Player...redshirt likely...special teams in R-Fr season, solid backup as R-So...potential 2-year starter...potential All-Conference at some point.

    25 -- Quality Program Player...partial scholarship likely...redshirt...contribute on special teams with solid roll as backup...potential starter late in career.

    20 -- Program Player...partial scholarship or walk-on...redshirt...contribute on special teams...backup player.

    15 -- Program Player...walk-on...good student...redshirt with potential to contribute on special teams at some point in career.

    10 -- Program Player...walk on...good student...family has lots of money!!

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    Default Re: FCSRecruting Evaluates NDSU's 2011 class

    Matt Jones is a partial scholarship player, huh?

    How do the rest of the MVFC teams stack up according to these guys?
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    Default Re: FCSRecruting Evaluates NDSU's 2011 class

    Interesting find. Its especially interesting what these guys say about Carson Wentz. After seeing Coach Polasek's presentation on signing day, I think this class is going to turn out very well. An abundance of "toughness"

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    Default Re: FCSRecruting Evaluates NDSU's 2011 class

    Andrew Okland isn't a home run threat, but could be a possession receiver? I don't know a ton about him, but isn't that the exact opposite of what he is? Seemed like he made a ton of big plays.

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    Default Re: FCSRecruting Evaluates NDSU's 2011 class

    Quote Originally Posted by HandoEX View Post
    Matt Jones is a partial scholarship player, huh?

    How do the rest of the MVFC teams stack up according to these guys?
    We are the first MVFC team to be looked at. We did rank higher than Montana and Elon but we were just below William & Mary. Nova so far has the highest rated class.

    Only one other recruit from those teams got a 50, so Wentz is in pretty lofty company.

    I was also surprised when I saw that about Jones.

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    Well, if Wentz is so good, what happens to Thorton? Do we see a Bismarck dual? Further, 4mcrue may through a fit it they throw his lap boy asside for Wentz.

    I just hope we can find the right QB and the right coach. Also, we seem to have a kid who played okay as a freshman, even if he still needs to improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan View Post
    Well, if Wentz is so good, what happens to Thorton? Do we see a Bismarck dual? Further, 4mcrue may through a fit it they throw his lap boy asside for Wentz.

    I just hope we can find the right QB and the right coach. Also, we seem to have a kid who played okay as a freshman, even if he still needs to improve.
    Did we recruit a coach too!!! Yippie!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CAS4127 View Post
    Did we recruit a coach too!!! Yippie!!
    I tried not to go SDbison on it, but it did have to be said.

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    Default Re: FCSRecruting Evaluates NDSU's 2011 class

    IGNORE THIS JOKE...... HAHAHA


    Matt Jones, RB, 5-10, 200:FCSR Rating: 25-- Solid size w/ limited physical projection - ordinary back.

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