Bill to keep Sioux nickname

[bisonaudit]

https://journals.ala.org/index.php/d...opular%20film.

[GreenfieldBison]

https://journals.ala.org/index.php/d...opular%20film.

So, let me see if I got this right. People arrived at Ellis Island and their name was on a list (that traveled with the boat they were on) and that proves that their “documents were in order” for leaving a country that wanted to be rid of them. Is that right? What have I missed?

[bisonaudit]

So, let me see if I got this right. People arrived at Ellis Island and their name was on a list (that traveled with the boat they were on) and that proves that their “documents were in order” for leaving a country that wanted to be rid of them. Is that right? What have I missed?

Ok. How about this:

One false etymology or backronym of wop is that it is an acronym for "without passport" or "without papers", implying that Italian immigrants entered the U.S. as undocumented or illegal immigrants.^[9][10][11] The term has nothing to do with immigration documents, as these were not required by U.S. immigration officers until 1924,^[12] after the slur had already come into use in the United States.

Wikipedia entry but seemingly well sourced.

[GreenfieldBison]

Ok. How about this:

One false etymology or backronym of wop is that it is an acronym for "without passport" or "without papers", implying that Italian immigrants entered the U.S. as undocumented or illegal immigrants.^[9][10][11] The term has nothing to do with immigration documents, as these were not required by U.S. immigration officers until 1924,^[12] after the slur had already come into use in the United States.

Wikipedia entry but seemingly well sourced.

Ok. Well as I say I heard it directly from a guy of that origin who was walkin around in 1919. I’d ask him to tell me again but unfortunately he passed in 1993 so no luck there.

If that is not the origin of the term then what does your source claim it to be?

[bisonaudit]

Ok. Well as I say I heard it directly from a guy of that origin who was walkin around in 1919. I’d ask him to tell me again but unfortunately he passed in 1993 so no luck there.

If that is not the origin of the term then what does your source claim it to be?

Guappo. An Italian term for dandy or swaggerer.

[taper]

The acronym thing may be true. But it’s very unlikely that loads of people got through Ellis island without papers. You couldn’t get on a boat without your documents in order. The companies transporting people were responsible for their passenger manifests and those manifest were delivered to immigration officials before anyone departed the ship.

this also gives the lie to the idea that people’s family names were Americanized by immigration officials.

The US had open borders until 1921. Everything you posted is essentially revisionist history BS. Seriously, how can you be this wrong? I have direct ancestors that had their name changed at entry. To say that didn't happen is an insult.

[bisonaudit]

The US had open borders until 1921. Everything you posted is essentially revisionist history BS. Seriously, how can you be this wrong? I have direct ancestors that had their name changed at entry. To say that didn't happen is an insult.

Keep up. We went over the open boarder thing already. “Without papers” couldn’t have been a thing because, yes, you didn’t need papers. Whatever name you gave the shipping agent who sold you a boarding pass was the name you came in under. The agents at Ellis island or wherever didn’t write down names. They matched names against an existing register that the ship‘s captain certified.

Yeah, didn’t happen. They did it themselves.

[taper]

Keep up. We went over the open boarder thing already. “Without papers” couldn’t have been a thing because, yes, you didn’t need papers. Whatever name you gave the shipping agent who sold you a boarding pass was the name you came in under. The agents at Ellis island or wherever didn’t write down names. They matched names against an existing register that the ship‘s captain certified.

Yeah, didn’t happen. They did it themselves.

So you insist on insulting my ancestors. I'll keep that in mind.

[bisonaudit]

So you insist on insulting my ancestors. I'll keep that in mind.

I sited a research paper. People are story tellers and it’s a good story. Good enough for The Godfather.

[Kevin]

u have insulted my ancestor prepare to die

<karate noises>