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    Quote Originally Posted by bisonaudit View Post
    Sorry, but if you're getting paid, by definition you haven't volunteered for anything. You've come to a mutually beneficial financial agreement.

    The proposal that these people are compaining about isn't a dam in a traditional sense either. They just call it that because they don't like it and they think that if they say it's a dam people will think it's scary and unfair and sympathise with their position. It doesn't matter where they decide to "store" the water, someone is going to complain and everyone is going to have to be paid. The only question is at what point do you say "enough" and either let the court settle the compensation or just not build the thing.

    Basically, what's going on is that Oxbow is holding 200,000 of their neighbors hostage so that they can squeeze a little more milk from the diversion teet. One one level you can't blame them at all and on another level its pretty disgusting behavior.
    Holy fucking shit bisonaudit, do want to argue about the definition of "dams" and "volunteer", or do you want to actually discuss the merits of the various proposals that are out there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bisonaudit View Post
    Sorry, but if you're getting paid, by definition you haven't volunteered for anything. You've come to a mutually beneficial financial agreement.

    The proposal that these people are compaining about isn't a dam in a traditional sense either. They just call it that because they don't like it and they think that if they say it's a dam people will think it's scary and unfair and sympathise with their position. It doesn't matter where they decide to "store" the water, someone is going to complain and everyone is going to have to be paid. The only question is at what point do you say "enough" and either let the court settle the compensation or just not build the thing.

    Basically, what's going on is that Oxbow is holding 200,000 of their neighbors hostage so that they can squeeze a little more milk from the diversion teet. One one level you can't blame them at all and on another level its pretty disgusting behavior.
    In someways it is a lot different, due to the way it is filled and how it is contained. They put a lot of water fairly deep in the impoundment, because they are pulling it from a much higher elevation from the hills to the east. From my understanding the issue with the Fargo dike is that it is essentially water that gets backed up not being able to flow through Fargo fast enough. By stopping the flow of water from heading north. It is an intersting concept when you see it. When I was there it was dry (I think they were still wrapping up construction.)

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    Bisonaudit, check your PM. Thanks
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    this thread is gtg!

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    To resurrect a dead thread, I saw in the Star Tribune on Wednesday (2/10/21) that the Minnesota DNR approved the flood diversion permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMB View Post
    To resurrect a dead thread, I saw in the Star Tribune on Wednesday (2/10/21) that the Minnesota DNR approved the flood diversion permit.
    Yes they did.

    https://fmdiversion.gov/minnesota-dn...rsion-project/

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    Will employ up to 7,700 construction workers and fuel an economic bonanza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HerdBot View Post
    Will employ up to 7,700 construction workers and fuel an economic bonanza.

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    The North Dakota Senate today unanimously passed HB 1431, which provides an additional $435,500,000 for the FM Diversion project. The bill has already passed the House and now goes to Governor Burgum for his signature. The money will come from selling bonds. Yes, the State of North Dakota will have a bonding bill. The state had already provided about $434,500,000 for the diversion project. Total amount from the State of North Dakota will be $870,000,000.

    Also in the bill:
    $74,500,000 for flood control projects in Minot
    $50,000,000 to the infrastructure revolving loan fund
    $70,000,000 to the highway fund
    $50,000,000 to NDSU for an Agriculture Products Development Center

    That's it. Surprisingly not something for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
    The North Dakota Senate today unanimously passed HB 1431, which provides an additional $435,500,000 for the FM Diversion project. The bill has already passed the House and now goes to Governor Burgum for his signature. The money will come from selling bonds. Yes, the State of North Dakota will have a bonding bill. The state had already provided about $434,500,000 for the diversion project. Total amount from the State of North Dakota will be $870,000,000.

    Also in the bill:
    $74,500,000 for flood control projects in Minot
    $50,000,000 to the infrastructure revolving loan fund
    $70,000,000 to the highway fund
    $50,000,000 to NDSU for an Agriculture Products Development Center

    That's it. Surprisingly not something for everyone.
    The Senate wisely made no changes to the House version so it wouldn't have to go back to the House for concurrence. Jeff Delzer (House Appropriations Chair and major buzz kill) wanted another crack at killing the bill. Since the state received a large chunk of federal funding since the bill left the House, he and others in the House didn't think the bonding bill was necessary any longer. This is good for the State IMO, finally the State investing in itself instead of projects across the country.
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