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    Default How important is the Commisioners cup?

    The Following table was hijacked from NorcalJack on SDSUfans.com. It looks like he has done a great job of keeping track of everything. These standings are as of May 5th.



    Dr. William Steinbrecher Men's All Sports Award Standings

    School Points

    1. Oral Roberts 49
    2. Western Illinois 41
    3. Oakland University 38
    4. IUPUI 33
    5. Southern Utah 32.5
    6. SDSU 27
    7. UMKC 26
    8. NDSU 22
    9. Centenary 16
    10. IPFW 15.5
    Dr. Helen Smiley Women's All Sports Award Standings

    School Points
    1. SDSU 61
    2t. Western Illinois 50.5
    2t. NDSU 50.5
    4. Oral Roberts 46.5
    5. Oakland University 46
    6. IPFW 41
    7. Southern Utah 38.5
    8. IUPUI 25
    9. Centenary 20
    10. UMKC 17
    Commissioner's Cup Standings

    School Points
    1. Oral Roberts 95.5
    2. Western Illinois 91.5
    3. SDSU 88
    4. Oakland University 84
    5. NDSU 72.5
    6. Southern Utah 71
    7. IUPUI 58
    8. IPFW 56.5
    9. UMKC 43
    10.Centenary 36
    Just by glancing at this, we will never be able to compete for the cup without adding sports. If you take out Womens and Mens Tennis and Womens and Mens S&D the top of the Standings look like this.

    Adjusted Standings without Tennis or S&D
    1. ORU 80.5
    2. SDSU 80
    3. NDSU 75.5
    4. WIU 71.5
    5. OU 69
    Adjusted Standings with Womens and Mens Tennis
    (assuming we finish in the middle of the standings)

    1. ORU 95.5
    2. WIU 91.5
    3. SDSU 88
    4. NDSU 83.5
    5. OU 83
    I don't see NDSU adding Mens Soccer or S&D anytime soon because of obvious obstacles. I also realize that we need to be fully funded in all sports before we talk about adding more sports. However, by adding Mens and Womens tennis we would have enough sports to compete for the cup even though the decked would be stacked against us as we would be 3 sports behind. By the way, the Valley sponsors the exact same sports that the SUMMIT sponsors and will soon sponsor Football.
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    Default Re: How important is the Commisioners cup?

    Are the point totals actually cumulative? I know in some conferences they only use X number of sports per team.
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    Default Re: How important is the Commisioners cup?

    The Cup is not big deal to me since NDSU does not support a full complement of teams. In the words of Al Davis, "Just win, baby" in the sports that we do have!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbline View Post
    The Cup is not big deal to me since NDSU does not support a full complement of teams. In the words of Al Davis, "Just win, baby" in the sports that we do have!!
    Yeah, overall trophies are nice, but a large display of conference championships is just as impressive. We'll soon find out if NDSU will have five for this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbline View Post
    The Cup is not big deal to me since NDSU does not support a full complement of teams. In the words of Al Davis, "Just win, baby" in the sports that we do have!!
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    It looks to me that only WIU offers all of the sports. Cup leader ORU sponsors three fewer sports. I personally think it is a big deal and don't think that we need add sports to win it. If we win league championships in the sports that have a full complement of teams i.e BB we would earn 10 pts. if we were to add men's swimming for example we would only earn 5 pts due to the lack of participation. NDSU can win the commisions cup and it should be a big deal. I understand that there are other important things to accomplish (a FB championship, MBB NCAA bid) but this should be another to measure our overall athletic success.

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    I believe these will be the final standings:
    Code:
    Men's
    1.  ORU		54
    2.  WIU		47
    3.  SUU		39.5 
    4.  Oak		38.5
    5.  IUPUI	33
    6.  NDSU	29
    7.  UMKC	27.5
    8.  SDSU	27
    9.  IPFW	16.5   
    10. Cent	16
    Code:
    Women's 
    1.  SDSU	67.5
    2.  NDSU	58.5
    3.  WIU		55.5
    4.  ORU		52.5
    5.  Oak		47
    6.  IPFW	44.5
    7.  SUU		42.5
    8.  IUPUI	25
    9.  Cent	20   
    10. UMKC	19
    Code:
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    1.  ORU		106.5
    2.  WIU		102.5
    3.  SDSU	94.5
    4.  NDSU	87.5
    5.  Oak		85.5
    6.  SUU		82
    7.  IPFW	61
    8.  IUPUI	58
    9.  UMKC	46.5
    10. Cent	36
    Last edited by Hammersmith; 05-19-2008 at 07:07 PM. Reason: fixed

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    Default Re: How important is the Commisioners cup?

    Anybody have the time/desire to do an average point total?

    It would be interesting to compare that to the the cumulative totals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bisonguy View Post
    Anybody have the time/desire to do an average point total?

    It would be interesting to compare that to the the cumulative totals.
    Since there is already some correction built into the system, I'm not sure how accurate this is. But since we're not professional statisticians, here goes.

    Code:
        School	Points	Sports	Adj Pts
    1.  ORU		106.5	16	6.66
    2.  NDSU	87.5	14	6.25
    3.  SUU		82	14	5.86
    4.  WIU		102.5	19	5.39
    5.  SDSU	94.5	18	5.25
    6.  Oak		85.5	18	4.75
    7.  IUPUI	58	14	4.14
    8.  IPFW	61	15	4.07
    9.  UMKC	46.5	15	3.10
    10. Cent	36	15	2.40
    Last edited by Hammersmith; 05-19-2008 at 07:12 PM. Reason: fixed

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    Default Re: How important is the Commisioners cup?

    The Commissioners Cup is only important if we win it

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