Re: Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?
It is wrong to act like the MVC is this league where WSU is this constant dominate force. I remember when SIU was the king of that league and one of ESPN's mid-major darlings while WSU was a middling program. Then WSU made a few right coaching hires, pumped money into its program and the rest is history.
The conditions are there for every team in that league to be good. They all support their programs at a high level, have nice facilities and are close to solid recruiting grounds. Meanwhile the Summit just added a school that pays its head coach what most MVC programs pay their assistants.
Re: Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?
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Bison bison
It is 2017.
Loyola was in the Final Four in 1963. It joined the MVC in the last five years.
That carries exactly zero water today as do some of your other examples.
The MVC has been getting weaker for a decade and I don't need to wear sunglasses when looking into its future.
The problem with your argument isn't the downfall of the MVC, it's somehow putting the Summit on some higher ground because of 1 year and omitting a couple teams in the MVC. The 2017 example is like saying NDSU is no longer the premier football program in FCS, it's James Madison and their 1 National championship and 2 conference championships in the history of its program.
Re: Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?
Hope this hasn't been posted elsewhere - Matt Zimmer's opinion (SDSU beat writer for Argus Leader)
on SDSU - NDSU to Missouri Valley - if Wichita State leaves MVC
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Matt Zimmer @argusmattz
I have no inside info but my hunch is Craig Smith was never going to Drake.
[Mike Imrie @mjimrie
@argusmattz leverage! Drake hard to win at. Good squad coming back at usd. ?
If Wichita leaves valley..sdsu and ndsu to valley?]
in reply to @mjimrie
Matt Zimmer @argusmattz
@mjimrie SDSU would never give up the Summit League tournament to go to a Wichita-less Valley.
9:15 PM · Mar 22, 2017
St Louis & Arch Madness MVC Conference Tourney versus home-court advantage in Sioux Falls with the Summit......
Re: Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?
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silkamilkamonico
Here's an NCAA tournament between the 2. I'll exclude WSU since they are leaving.
Illinois State - 3 round of 32 appearances
Southern Illinois - 3 sweet 16 appearances, 1 round of 32 appearances
UNI - 1 sweet 16 appearance, 3 round of 32 appearances
Loyola - 1 Final 4 appearance, 2 sweet 16 appearances
Bradley - 2 final 4 appearances, 2 sweet 16 appearances
Missouri St - 1 sweet 16 appearance
Evansville - 1 round of 32 appearance
Drake - 1 Final Four, 2 elite 8's
Indiana St - 1 Final four, 1 round of 32
These don't include how often they made tournament and lost in first round
Summit Conference
South Dakota - no appearances
NDSU - 1 round of 32, 3 total tournament appearances
Omaha - no appearances
SDSU - 4 total appearances
IPFW - no tournament appearances
Denver - no tournament appearances
IUPUI - 1 tournament appearances
Western Illinois - no tournament appearances
Oral Roberts - 1 Elite Eight, 5 total appearances
Summit's a pretty nice smaller conference, but it has a long ways to go on so many levels to be anywhere close to the MVC.
and BOOM goes the dynamite. NDSU and its fanbase & athletic dept should be going hard after this.... (but like FBS pursuit, they arent doing SQUAT!)
Re: Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?
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Originally Posted by
bruinbison
Hope this hasn't been posted elsewhere - Matt Zimmer's opinion (SDSU beat writer for Argus Leader)
on SDSU - NDSU to Missouri Valley - if Wichita State leaves MVC
St Louis & Arch Madness MVC Conference Tourney versus home-court advantage in Sioux Falls with the Summit......
Even more reason for us to leave without them. They have the sweetest deal in the nation. Built in local home court on a weekday to keep out opposing fans. If it was at the dome every year on a Tuesday or whatever I wouldn't give it up either. But unfortunately we don't.
Re: Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?
Smith is staying at USD.
Clearly he hasn't read this thread.
Re: Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?
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Bison bison
Smith is staying at USD.
Clearly he hasn't read this thread.
Rumor is at north of $300k. NDSU athletic department clearly needs to get with the times.
Re: Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?
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silkamilkamonico
Rumor is at north of $300k. NDSU starting to fall behind in basketball coaching salary's now too.
We are probably in 5th behind ORU, SDSU, USD and Denver. Likely much closer to the 6th highest paid coach.
That said I'm not sure Richman has done enough to warrant a massive raise.
Re: Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?
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NDSUstudent
That said I'm not sure Richman has done enough to warrant a massive raise.
this.
ndsu needs to do better than losing the first game of the conference tournament.
Re: Wichita State to the American Athletic Conference?
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Originally Posted by
bruinbison
Hope this hasn't been posted elsewhere - Matt Zimmer's opinion (SDSU beat writer for Argus Leader)
on SDSU - NDSU to Missouri Valley - if Wichita State leaves MVC
St Louis & Arch Madness MVC Conference Tourney versus home-court advantage in Sioux Falls with the Summit......
Just look at how they perform in SF, I wouldn't give up home court forever either.
That said for us it is a giant nothing burger. Doubt I will go to SF again unless I either move to that area or they change the tournament dates.