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A new and better FBS thread
The other one just turned into a flame war. I'll remove stuff from this one if it gets to that. Please keep this one on topic (I'll do my part, if you give me time.)
Posts that aren't on-topic will be deleted.
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when the P5 split, we wont be in the "3rd tier", or the FCS as it is known now. But who else from the FCS would join us? I think there'd actually be a good chunk that would- MAYBE even enough for our own conference!
Select members of Big Sky and Missouri Valley who would want a higher level of competition, would probably make the move together. If we were to combine our conferences, we could also potentially have an East and West division that could look a something like this:
West:
Eastern Washington
Montana
Montana State
Northern Arizona
Southern Utah
East:
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Youngstown State
Missouri State
University of North Dakota
Even if we're just dreaming, who doesn't think this would be fun haha??
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Whew great news guys.
The pitching count is back to 0-0. No strikes NO BALLS!!
I would just like to keep my opening marks brief:
I am convinced with this years team and the last 3 that NDSU wins the mountain west or Mac 2 of the 4 years and would be highly successful in FBS especially with additional 22 full rides. I see the FCS as land of nobodies especially with GSU APPY st gone (and others). We already dominated this stage, time to pump it up.
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El_Chapo
Whew great news guys.
The pitching count is back to 0-0. No strikes NO BALLS!!
I would just like to keep my opening marks brief:
I am convinced with this years team and the last 3 that NDSU wins the mountain west or Mac 2 of the 4 years and would be highly successful in FBS especially with additional 22 full rides. I see the FCS as land of nobodies especially with GSU APPY st gone (and others). We already dominated this stage, time to pump it up.
Agreed on all counts. Terrific post chapo.
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My detailed FBS plan and budget laid out by my accountant was locked out of the other FBS thread. We will have to regroup we are both too traumatized
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Thirded chapo.
Extra +1 on a conference which preserves traditional rivalries and makes geographic sense so large non-rev programs don't need to piss money away flying over some schools to play others. Where is USD though?
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El_Chapo
... time to PUMP IT UP!!!!
FIFY in a manner that we've come to expect.
For my part, I am just glad I don't have to make decisions on such things. This is a very difficult situation. I think I only would like to move up if we were able to play at the very highest level, meaning P5...which isn't going to happen. At the same time, I wouldn't want to be left behind after the big shift either.
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El_Chapo
My detailed FBS plan and budget laid out by my accountant was locked out of the other FBS thread. We will have to regroup we are both too traumatized
You're accountant did the budget? Well why didn't you say so!? Now I'm on board, FBS all the way. Meineke Car Care Bowl here we come!
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El_Chapo
Whew great news guys.
The pitching count is back to 0-0. No strikes NO BALLS!!
I would just like to keep my opening marks brief:
I am convinced with this years team and the last 3 that NDSU wins the mountain west or Mac 2 of the 4 years and would be highly successful in FBS especially with additional 22 full rides. I see the FCS as land of nobodies especially with GSU APPY st gone (and others). We already dominated this stage, time to pump it up.
Most people on this board don't disagree. The problem is that none of these things matter. UTSA bypassed the bottom tier conferences, got a CUSA invite, and basically hadn't played a down of DI football. It's 100% about markets. So unless you have a plan where the Fargo tv market is 1.5-2 million none of your ramblings matter. And no, the twin cities don't count as part of the Fargo market. This is the link you need to look at. Hint: scroll to #116
http://www.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/markets/market2.cgi
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mnriverbison
Thirded chapo.
Extra +1 on a conference which preserves traditional rivalries and makes geographic sense so large non-rev programs don't need to piss money away flying over some schools to play others. Where is USD though?
Good question about where is USD........down in SD, USD and SDSU are joined at the hip surgically by the SD Board of Regents...... and yes, SDSU made the move first back in 03/04. This time around, however, I don't think the Board of Regents would allow SDSU to move up without the Coyotes.
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Grad bison. FSN is the answer, I know NDSU & Valley news doesn't want to hear that (they are making at least $100k off NDSU games) but simulcasting of FSN opens up the entire Midwest and makes NDSU an even bigger regional school.
NDSU is over 50% Minnesota people. NDSU is regional, you can't deny that fact.
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El_Chapo
Grad bison. FSN is the answer, I know NDSU & Valley news doesn't want to hear that (they are making at least $100k off NDSU games) but simulcasting of FSN opens up the entire Midwest and makes NDSU an even bigger regional school.
NDSU is over 50% Minnesota people. NDSU is regional, you can't deny that fact.
......I believe ndsu is at line 44% Minnesota students.
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El_Chapo
Grad bison. FSN is the answer, I know NDSU & Valley news doesn't want to hear that (they are making at least $100k off NDSU games) but simulcasting of FSN opens up the entire Midwest and makes NDSU an even bigger regional school.
NDSU is over 50% Minnesota people. NDSU is regional, you can't deny that fact.
That, again, doesn't matter. A conference cares about markets so they can get a conference-wide tv deal on a national network. FSN doesn't do that. Our passionate fan base doesn't matter. Our attendance doesn't matter. Our tailgating doesn't matter.
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El_Chapo
U serious Clark ?
42.7 %. 44% from North Dakota.
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Still NDSU is a regional school and should be marketed and branded as such.
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NDSU_grad
Most people on this board don't disagree. The problem is that none of these things matter. UTSA bypassed the bottom tier conferences, got a CUSA invite, and basically hadn't played a down of DI football. It's 100% about markets. So unless you have a plan where the Fargo tv market is 1.5-2 million none of your ramblings matter. And no, the twin cities don't count as part of the Fargo market. This is the link you need to look at. Hint: scroll to #116
http://www.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/markets/market2.cgi
couldn't it be argued that the WHOLE state of ND is the "Fargo Market"? Many other schools only have followings from their immediate area (due to many schools being int he state/region). If NDSU decided to seek a conference they could easily tout the entire state as being part of their market. They would promote the television data for the statewide broadcasts for football.
I don't have any idea how many actually watch the games via statewide television however it's much more than just Fargo/Valley City.
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also interesting to note.... Eugene Oregon is #121 on the list.
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NDSUguy
couldn't it be argued that the WHOLE state of ND is the "Fargo Market"? Many other schools only have followings from their immediate area (due to many schools being int he state/region). If NDSU decided to seek a conference they could easily tout the entire state as being part of their market. They would promote the television data for the statewide broadcasts for football.
I don't have any idea how many actually watch the games via statewide television however it's much more than just Fargo/Valley City.
Perhaps, that's still not very many tv sets in the eyes of the people who decide these things.
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El_Chapo
Still NDSU is a regional school and should be marketed and branded as such.
No it shouldn't. It should be branded as a national university with very high research activity.
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Not to continue the comparisons to other MWC schools:
Boise State: #110
Wyoming: #196 and #197
Colorado State: #17 (because of Denver)
Fresno: #55
San Jose State: #6 (aided by San Francisco)
U of New Mexico: #47
Air Force: #89
San Diego: #28
University of Nevada: #107
UNLV: #42
Fargo: #117
Bismark/Dickinson/Minot: #145
If you were to include both ND markets you would probably get somewhere in the 70s or 80s.
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I don't' think TV markets matter much unless you are a major conference, NDSU has a geographic problem.
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Yes, that is the biggest issue. That leads me to believe that the combination of the best of the Big Sky/MVFC in a move up to the G5 level would be a really good fit.
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I'd say that NDSU's actual media market is much greater than schools in bigger towns because it's state-wide (and more.)
A 50-share of an entire state with a population of 800,000 is better than a 5-share of a larger metro area, isn't it?
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I think people are forgetting about the state legislature
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Once again I ask the question which nobody seems to want to answer. Where is the $150,000,000+ that it will cost to build a bigger stadium come from? Where will the tens of millions of more that the athletic budget will need to be each year come from?
ANYONE? ANYONE?
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6080...7&rs=1&pid=1.7
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Bison03
Once again I ask the question which nobody seems to want to answer. Where is the $150,000,000+ that it will cost to build a bigger stadium come from? Where will the tens of millions of more that the athletic budget will need to be each year come from?
ANYONE? ANYONE?
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6080...7&rs=1&pid=1.7
lakes trust fund bro....where you been
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tjbison
lakes trust fund bro....where you been
NO, he already said he won't be taking money out of his trust fund. I think everything concerning a move up has to go to the legislature, state funding and being "equal" to UND is a huge problem.
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loudsilverado
I think people are forgetting about the state legislature
exactly.....sadly the only way the state would get on board is if NDSU and UND went together
otherwise we ain't getting shit from our state to fund any percentage of a possible move up
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tjbison
exactly.....sadly the only way the state would get on board is if NDSU and UND went together
otherwise we ain't getting shit from our state to fund any percentage of a possible move up
Maybe if we all sent threatening letters saying fund it "or else" to each person in the legislature they would do it.
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loudsilverado
Maybe if we all sent threatening letters saying fund it "or else" to each person in the legislature they would do it.
Put the right logo on it and you've got a winner. I'll get the T-shirts made up.
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People who want to wait to see what the P5 do, why cant we make the jump anyways?
If Ndsu continues this success there's going to be a push for fbs from somewhere. I dont know where, but I can see the admin. at least being tempted.
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ndsubison1
People who want to wait to see what the P5 do, why cant we make the jump anyways?
If Ndsu continues this success there's going to be a push for fbs from somewhere. I dont know where, but I can see the admin. at least being tempted.
I agree with this also.
if we win 4 this year or even next year, I'm totally on board with a push to get up. I also can see if we keep this level of play for a few more years someone will show interest
still won't help get money from the state though, hell I bet if the B12 commish stood in front of the legislature and told them build it and your in they would still vote no*
* only using this as an example of how tight our state is! I know we have zero shot at a P5
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tjbison
I agree with this also.
if we win 4 this year or even next year, I'm totally on board with a push to get up. I also can see if we keep this level of play for a few more years someone will show interest
still won't help get money from the state though, hell I bet if the B12 commish stood in front of the legislature and told them build it and your in they would still vote no*
* only using this as an example of how tight our state is! I know we have zero shot at a P5
If you've got an administration that's for it. You need a different administration. There's a lot of personal benefit for senior members of the University and athletic administration at the next level but, in its current state there is precious little benefit for the institutions that we all care about.
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Again, where do the extra seats come from?
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TAILG8R
Again, where do the extra seats come from?
outside of the desire to sell more tickets, why is it a must that we upgrade stadiums in order to do this? the only requirement that i'm aware of is from the NCAA (which we already meet the minimum standards for seats).
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Tatanka
Put the right logo on it and you've got a winner. I'll get the T-shirts made up.
Are we sure threatening legislature's is the way to go? I don't think that turned out so great for somebody on this board in the past.
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bisonmike2
Are we sure threatening legislature's is the way to go? I don't think that turned out so great for somebody on this board in the past.
You are right, but he got away with it last time with no charges.
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Has anyone changed anyone else's mind yet? Didn't think so. #groundhogday
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loudsilverado
You are right, but he got away with it last time with no charges.
I mean does anyone think he really threatened a legislator and got no charges filed against him?